You get two "other" decks of the same class that can have 5 different cards. This seems like it might work out pretty well (since it works for just about every other competitive CCG), assuming there are neutral tech cards that are printed.
Sounds pretty good - allows for proper teching against certain matchups - Against a class with no weapons? No worries you don't need to pick the deck that contains Ooze - playing against an OTK deck - no worries Zihi and Hakkar can be chosen.
I mean it's cool and all but that doesn't do anything to improve the actual game. That's just for tournaments which not even 0,01% of the player base will participate.
I expected a new type of ladder format, I am disappointed.
I think this is going to be interesting format. Should make tournaments go faster as well.
This could also explain the delay in adding the tournament tool into the HS client from last year. They wanted it ready to support this format as they finalized it. Hopefully this will spur on its inclusion soon.
On a side note, I don't think this is the only announcement coming today.
I mean it's cool and all but that doesn't do anything to improve the actual game. That's just for tournaments which not even 0,01% of the player base will participate.
I expected a new type of ladder format, I am disappointed.
I don't play in tournaments, but I watch a lot of them. So there is something here for more than just the .01%.
I think this is going to be interesting format. Should make tournaments go faster as well.
This could also explain the delay in adding the tournament tool into the HS client from last year. They wanted it ready to support this format as they finalized it. Hopefully this will spur on its inclusion soon.
On a side note, I don't think this is the only announcement coming today.
I could see this working really easily in a tournament client. Much less to manage.
Well, considering the way meta works we might probably be seeing always the same deck/class most of the time.
"Pocket picks" will not be a thing, you ill just bring the deck that is most solid all-around.
Also the way polarization is broken across the roof this format feels like it will not represent accurately what the best players are.
It's much easier to have a high variation of results when polarization comes into play. They'd have to start heavily designing sets to make use of the 'sideboard' for every class for this to work.
Only 5 cards to switch is not enough. U can‘t even take a Control and a Aggro Deck with this one choosen class. For example: if u play Aggro against Control, u are doomed anyway. To Switch only 5 cards in ur deck will not give u the possibility to defeat ur enemy. Ofc, a tec-card (or 5 of them) could be good against a very specific Deck like cthun. But i guess in 80+% of the Matches, ur 2. or 3. Deck doesnt matter.
Dont get me wrong: i realy hope this Feature will be great. After all a f2p-Player can only craft cards from one hero and can create 3 „different“ Decks realy easy. But how i already told u: it won‘t make sense in my opinion to only switch 5 cards.
It's okay for the competitive scene but a complete waste if not implemented in some form for the rest of the player base. If you could pick a slight altered version of your deck in ranked after queuing and seeing what your opponent is, it would be a huge improvement for the ranked experience imo.
I don't think the idea is to change between types of decks (aggro to control) but to allow you to tech your deck v different decks. Weapon removal tools or not. AOE clears or not. That kind of thing.
Well, considering the way meta works we might probably be seeing always the same deck/class most of the time.
"Pocket picks" will not be a thing, you ill just bring the deck that is most solid all-around.
Also the way polarization is broken across the roof this format feels like it will not represent accurately what the best players are.
It's much easier to have a high variation of results when polarization comes into play. They'd have to start heavily designing sets to make use of the 'sideboard' for every class for this to work.
I'll start with your last statement first: I believe they are designing sets to make use of the sideboard. Dean basically said they were when he was on Value Town last week.
Regarding your first point - I don't know if that's true. Because, in large part, that's not how side boarding works in the other competitive CCGs I've played. This is because both players are side decking to improve the match up.
Now, if they accidentally make something like pre-nerf druid which can literally do everything without the need for a side board, then you're right. My hope is they're learning from those mistakes. But that's just a balance problem, not a format problem.
There is a plethora of different decks to be played in this new format, however one class seems to be screwed with the 5 card allotment for tournament play. Quest Rogue has little to no options opening up for this kind of play. Welcome quest Rogue meta and the only Rogue deck left....
This is just stupid, can't understand why would anyone support such kind of format.
First variety goes down the drain, it becomes boring, especially boring for spectators, viewership should go down massively.
Second, winner will be decided simply by having a better matchup. No matter how many cards you change 1 archetype is simply better against other archetype. Rock-paper-scissors in tournaments? No thank you.
Third, the game is unbalanced. There was always a more dominant class and deck. So the tournaments scene will mostly consist of that particular deck and decks that counter that particular deck, so basically what we will get is a fest of Midrange Hunters and Even Paladins if we had a tounament today.
Only 5 cards to switch is not enough. U can‘t even take a Control and a Aggro Deck with this one choosen class. For example: if u play Aggro against Control, u are doomed anyway. To Switch only 5 cards in ur deck will not give u the possibility to defeat ur enemy. Ofc, a tec-card (or 5 of them) could be good against a very specific Deck like cthun. But i guess in 80+% of the Matches, ur 2. or 3. Deck doesnt matter.
Dont get me wrong: i realy hope this Feature will be great. After all a f2p-Player can only craft cards from one hero and can create 3 „different“ Decks realy easy. But how i already told u: it won‘t make sense in my opinion to only switch 5 cards.
Change my mind pls
JustSaiyan held a tournament last december with sideboard of 10, and people basically ran a control deck with a combo in sideboard. General census was that 10 is too much, so maybe 5 is just enough.
This has to be a joke... Most of us don't give a shit about a new competitive format, we want to play f...king tournament mode at home or while using our cellphones on the streets, is really that much to ask? WTF???
It's okay for the competitive scene but a complete waste if not implemented in some form for the rest of the player base. If you could pick a slight altered version of your deck in ranked after queuing and seeing what your opponent is, it would be a huge improvement for the ranked experience imo.
That highly benefits classes with differerent decks though. For example, do you tech in secrets vs hunter or not? You can't tell. If the class has only one deck though it becomes VERY easy to tech them down.
It works in tournaments because the first game is blind with no sideboarding/swapping. Then you get to swap after you know exactly what deck you are facing. Note that even in tournaments if you KNOW what your opponent is coming as, you STILL can't use a teched deck for teh first match: you still have to play with the primary.
In order to allow ANYTHING that people keep bringing up, bans, sideboards, whatever, you ***NEED*** a multi-match format. Make it best out of 3 or 5 or anything and you can do whatever the @)($# you want.
but if it's best of 1, allowing any of this sort would break the game.
As far as the main topic... *sigh* I really would like this tested out beforehand, but it sounds like the next expansion will have this very concept in mind. I'm really concerned with how tournaments will play out spectator wise. Everyone picking just one deck sounds like everyone picking the same class.
Also we may NEED some multi-mode system for the rest of us if the expansions are going to be geared for sideboarding...but the main mode we play is best of 1.
Well... the last time I felt this worried was when they announced rotations (at least until it sunk in that GvG/Naxx were going) so.. I'll see where this is going.
So they added a new play style but it’s for that.01% that are competitive lol . When 99% of this is casual players. I really hope there more to this than just that. Or I might even say fuck it quit hearthstone.
You're asking for a new format, but Blizzard said anyone can try it out. this is kind of a new format (not in client, i know), but if you want a new way to play (barring that it doesn't cost a ton of money) this potentially could scratch that itch until Blizz announces another in client format (hopefully) soon. A lot of if's, i know, but I feel like it's a step in the right direction.
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Basically mono-class with side boarding.
You get two "other" decks of the same class that can have 5 different cards.
This seems like it might work out pretty well (since it works for just about every other competitive CCG), assuming there are neutral tech cards that are printed.
What do you guys think?
Sounds pretty good - allows for proper teching against certain matchups - Against a class with no weapons? No worries you don't need to pick the deck that contains Ooze - playing against an OTK deck - no worries Zihi and Hakkar can be chosen.
I mean it's cool and all but that doesn't do anything to improve the actual game. That's just for tournaments which not even 0,01% of the player base will participate.
I expected a new type of ladder format, I am disappointed.
I think this is going to be interesting format. Should make tournaments go faster as well.
This could also explain the delay in adding the tournament tool into the HS client from last year. They wanted it ready to support this format as they finalized it. Hopefully this will spur on its inclusion soon.
On a side note, I don't think this is the only announcement coming today.
I don't play in tournaments, but I watch a lot of them. So there is something here for more than just the .01%.
I could see this working really easily in a tournament client. Much less to manage.
Well, considering the way meta works we might probably be seeing always the same deck/class most of the time.
"Pocket picks" will not be a thing, you ill just bring the deck that is most solid all-around.
Also the way polarization is broken across the roof this format feels like it will not represent accurately what the best players are.
It's much easier to have a high variation of results when polarization comes into play. They'd have to start heavily designing sets to make use of the 'sideboard' for every class for this to work.
Only 5 cards to switch is not enough. U can‘t even take a Control and a Aggro Deck with this one choosen class. For example: if u play Aggro against Control, u are doomed anyway. To Switch only 5 cards in ur deck will not give u the possibility to defeat ur enemy. Ofc, a tec-card (or 5 of them) could be good against a very specific Deck like cthun. But i guess in 80+% of the Matches, ur 2. or 3. Deck doesnt matter.
Dont get me wrong: i realy hope this Feature will be great. After all a f2p-Player can only craft cards from one hero and can create 3 „different“ Decks realy easy. But how i already told u: it won‘t make sense in my opinion to only switch 5 cards.
Change my mind pls
It's okay for the competitive scene but a complete waste if not implemented in some form for the rest of the player base. If you could pick a slight altered version of your deck in ranked after queuing and seeing what your opponent is, it would be a huge improvement for the ranked experience imo.
I don't think the idea is to change between types of decks (aggro to control) but to allow you to tech your deck v different decks. Weapon removal tools or not. AOE clears or not. That kind of thing.
I'll start with your last statement first: I believe they are designing sets to make use of the sideboard. Dean basically said they were when he was on Value Town last week.
Regarding your first point - I don't know if that's true. Because, in large part, that's not how side boarding works in the other competitive CCGs I've played. This is because both players are side decking to improve the match up.
Now, if they accidentally make something like pre-nerf druid which can literally do everything without the need for a side board, then you're right. My hope is they're learning from those mistakes. But that's just a balance problem, not a format problem.
There is a plethora of different decks to be played in this new format, however one class seems to be screwed with the 5 card allotment for tournament play. Quest Rogue has little to no options opening up for this kind of play. Welcome quest Rogue meta and the only Rogue deck left....
This is just stupid, can't understand why would anyone support such kind of format.
First variety goes down the drain, it becomes boring, especially boring for spectators, viewership should go down massively.
Second, winner will be decided simply by having a better matchup. No matter how many cards you change 1 archetype is simply better against other archetype. Rock-paper-scissors in tournaments? No thank you.
Third, the game is unbalanced. There was always a more dominant class and deck. So the tournaments scene will mostly consist of that particular deck and decks that counter that particular deck, so basically what we will get is a fest of Midrange Hunters and Even Paladins if we had a tounament today.
Really excited about this, will get me to start watching tournament streams again :)
Watch some MTG tournaments. Sideboard have been the norm there forever and it allows great flexibility and promotes diversity in a format.
JustSaiyan held a tournament last december with sideboard of 10, and people basically ran a control deck with a combo in sideboard. General census was that 10 is too much, so maybe 5 is just enough.
This has to be a joke... Most of us don't give a shit about a new competitive format, we want to play f...king tournament mode at home or while using our cellphones on the streets, is really that much to ask? WTF???
Again, Bli$$ard...
That highly benefits classes with differerent decks though. For example, do you tech in secrets vs hunter or not? You can't tell. If the class has only one deck though it becomes VERY easy to tech them down.
It works in tournaments because the first game is blind with no sideboarding/swapping. Then you get to swap after you know exactly what deck you are facing. Note that even in tournaments if you KNOW what your opponent is coming as, you STILL can't use a teched deck for teh first match: you still have to play with the primary.
In order to allow ANYTHING that people keep bringing up, bans, sideboards, whatever, you ***NEED*** a multi-match format. Make it best out of 3 or 5 or anything and you can do whatever the @)($# you want.
but if it's best of 1, allowing any of this sort would break the game.
As far as the main topic... *sigh* I really would like this tested out beforehand, but it sounds like the next expansion will have this very concept in mind. I'm really concerned with how tournaments will play out spectator wise. Everyone picking just one deck sounds like everyone picking the same class.
Also we may NEED some multi-mode system for the rest of us if the expansions are going to be geared for sideboarding...but the main mode we play is best of 1.
Well... the last time I felt this worried was when they announced rotations (at least until it sunk in that GvG/Naxx were going) so.. I'll see where this is going.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
HS: Magic please let me copy your sibeboard!
Magic: Phhh...ok here, but make it look different
So they added a new play style but it’s for that.01% that are competitive lol . When 99% of this is casual players. I really hope there more to this than just that. Or I might even say fuck it quit hearthstone.
You're asking for a new format, but Blizzard said anyone can try it out. this is kind of a new format (not in client, i know), but if you want a new way to play (barring that it doesn't cost a ton of money) this potentially could scratch that itch until Blizz announces another in client format (hopefully) soon. A lot of if's, i know, but I feel like it's a step in the right direction.