I was testing out a OTK Pally deck today in Casual. Beat a guy playing playing the Buff Pally. Afterwards he friend requested me to tell me I shouldn't be playing that deck on casual.
Was he just a jerk, or am I breaking some unwritten rule of casual play?
If winning in casual is important, people should play a competitive deck. It's far more effective than hoping your opponent doesn't, especially if you are an experienced player with high MMR.
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One thing I like about casual is that sometimes you are only doing it to complete a play X cards quest, and you find an opponent who realizes and doesn't take lethal to let you finish. I'll do that also and obviously if I'm wrong they can just concede. Made some friends that way which is nice.
There's not many moments for a cooperative spirit in Hearthstone so I personally enjoy them when they happen.
Nothing really to do with OP's question though so dunno wtf I'm replying in this manner.
Here's a piece of etiquette: it's always wrong to send someone a friend request to criticize them. Whatever you think about folks ruining casual with "the wrong" decks, folks who send friend requests to be jerks actually do ruin the friend request feature for everyone.
Here's a piece of etiquette: it's always wrong to send someone a friend request to criticize them. Whatever you think about folks ruining casual with "the wrong" decks, folks who send friend requests to be jerks actually do ruin the friend request feature for everyone.
Here’s a different but equally logical piece of etiquette: it’s always wrong to play netdecks on casual. Whatever you think about folks ruining the friend request feature with “criticism,” folks who play tier 1 net decks actually do ruin the casual game experience for everyone
I guess some people would say casual is supposed to be for people to have fun with home-brew decks and you shouldn't be bringing tier 1 net decks there. It's a matter of opinion.
Don't let people tell you how to play the game. It is a game first of all, and second, it is for YOUR entertainment just as much as it is for theirs. If they have a problem with something as unimportant as that then that is their heart disease and potential significant other's problem for finding anything remotely redeemable in such a person.
This is coming from a person who plays 10% memes in casual, clear up to Reno Mage and Even Shaman.
Here's a piece of etiquette: it's always wrong to send someone a friend request to criticize them. Whatever you think about folks ruining casual with "the wrong" decks, folks who send friend requests to be jerks actually do ruin the friend request feature for everyone.
Here’s a different but equally logical piece of etiquette: it’s always wrong to play netdecks on casual. Whatever you think about folks ruining the friend request feature with “criticism,” folks who play tier 1 net decks actually do ruin the casual game experience for everyone
I highly disagree with some rare exceptions (pre-nerf Kingsbane says hello). One of my favorite decks is a homebrew Spectral Pillager Rogue deck of mine. A while back a hotfix meant address some bugs relating to Sonya copies of worgen stat flipping mechanics resulted in an indirect and unexpected nerf to how Sonya interacted with copies of stat reducing cards like Mechwarper, which resulted in the death of my fun deck (or so I thought). Eventually when I theorycrafted a way to reproduce the combo despite the lack of 0 mana Mechwarpers I started playing the deck again, which in comparison resulted in a 5-10% win rate meme (which was way lower than the older original meme version).
This resulted in losing so often just to pull of a win with this new version that my average opponent was a toss up between players with basic cards and those who played terribly by taking avoidable damage or making unnecessary trades (indirect proof that there is an mmr if you lose enough :P). Anyway, this does relate. If you took out all of the powerful/consistent decks in casual and just put in bad memes to the point that you get opponents that I got during that hotfix period for my deck then even when you do get wins off using your own meme decks you find that the wins mean way less and you care less about winning with fun decks because you weren't challenged and easily won against bad decks.
generally speaking net decking in casual is frowned upon, especially if you play some hyper aggressive deck. It's no fun when I pick my odd druid deck and get put up against something like net deck spell hunter.
the no meta decks in casual thing is super flawed thinking. Sometimes I want to play a meta deck because I just like it, but I don't know it inside out enough or it's not great for the meta so I don't want to lose any ladder progress with it.
I understand peoples desire to want to play decks with a power level similar to their own ,of course, and I think the casual MMR does a decent job of that. If you only play lower tier decks in casual then your MMR should more or less reflect that. It's obviously not perfect but what are you going to do other than make a new mode and try to regulate that in some way which seems like it's own can of worms.
I frequently test out new decks in casual just so I know how they perform and what their strengths and weaknesses are. Doesn't matter if it's a tier 1 netdeck or just some homebrew meme deck, I see casual as a place where you can try new things without your rank on the ladder suffering. So yeah, feel free to play whatever deck you like. Some people just get a bit salty when they lose.
I can understand he'd get a bit annoyed by ppl playing general meta decks in casual.
But no, there are no unwritten rules, and you have no obligation to change what you play based on what others think of it. If the game allows it, it is allowed, that simple.
I didn't even know my deck was considered top tier. I only have 2 legendaries from the current set, and one of them was Shavala and I wanted to use her/him. I looked up some decks and I had a lot of the cards for the OTK pally so I am trying that.
It acutally feels much less strong than the control Priest I was playing before, but I'm missing a couple legendaries the list calls for, so maybe that's it.
Yep, MMR is a thing. Casual matchmaking is not random. The people complaining about facing netdecks in casual are only facing them because of an established history of playing with them and winning themselves. Switching back to a meme deck changes nothing unless you are willing to take your lumps and rack up enough losses to drop your MMR.
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I forgot the other thing in casual is fishing bots. I have 2 replays Vs. them this week.
Here is the 2nd I just got using my newly finished Tesspionage 2.0. it all looked grim for me till the point I got a 1 cost captain tusk and pulled 3 of my pirates. I then got 1 cost Edwin next. game turned nuts. I love random stuff like espionage. only wish I had that face collector card as that would be ideal in my new deck.
Casual is meant to be a safe place for noobs to play without being smashed by meta decks. I think he is right. Stay out of casual if you are using a ladder deck.
I was testing out a OTK Pally deck today in Casual. Beat a guy playing playing the Buff Pally. Afterwards he friend requested me to tell me I shouldn't be playing that deck on casual.
Was he just a jerk, or am I breaking some unwritten rule of casual play?
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Some people believe that you shouldn't play meta decks in Casual. Blizzard doesn't though, so you are fine.
If winning in casual is important, people should play a competitive deck. It's far more effective than hoping your opponent doesn't, especially if you are an experienced player with high MMR.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
One thing I like about casual is that sometimes you are only doing it to complete a play X cards quest, and you find an opponent who realizes and doesn't take lethal to let you finish. I'll do that also and obviously if I'm wrong they can just concede. Made some friends that way which is nice.
There's not many moments for a cooperative spirit in Hearthstone so I personally enjoy them when they happen.
Nothing really to do with OP's question though so dunno wtf I'm replying in this manner.
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people just don't like to loose and they like to blame anything but their own skills for loosing when they do.
you can do whatever you like. there is no code really.
people use casual to gold farm, test decks, because they just started or aren't confident enough etc. those are the main 3 I think.
So yeah dude, learning to play a deck to get the gist of it in casual is totally fine IMO.
Here's a piece of etiquette: it's always wrong to send someone a friend request to criticize them. Whatever you think about folks ruining casual with "the wrong" decks, folks who send friend requests to be jerks actually do ruin the friend request feature for everyone.
Here’s a different but equally logical piece of etiquette: it’s always wrong to play netdecks on casual. Whatever you think about folks ruining the friend request feature with “criticism,” folks who play tier 1 net decks actually do ruin the casual game experience for everyone
I guess some people would say casual is supposed to be for people to have fun with home-brew decks and you shouldn't be bringing tier 1 net decks there. It's a matter of opinion.
Don't let people tell you how to play the game. It is a game first of all, and second, it is for YOUR entertainment just as much as it is for theirs. If they have a problem with something as unimportant as that then that is their heart disease and potential significant other's problem for finding anything remotely redeemable in such a person.
This is coming from a person who plays 10% memes in casual, clear up to Reno Mage and Even Shaman.
I highly disagree with some rare exceptions (pre-nerf Kingsbane says hello). One of my favorite decks is a homebrew Spectral Pillager Rogue deck of mine. A while back a hotfix meant address some bugs relating to Sonya copies of worgen stat flipping mechanics resulted in an indirect and unexpected nerf to how Sonya interacted with copies of stat reducing cards like Mechwarper, which resulted in the death of my fun deck (or so I thought). Eventually when I theorycrafted a way to reproduce the combo despite the lack of 0 mana Mechwarpers I started playing the deck again, which in comparison resulted in a 5-10% win rate meme (which was way lower than the older original meme version).
This resulted in losing so often just to pull of a win with this new version that my average opponent was a toss up between players with basic cards and those who played terribly by taking avoidable damage or making unnecessary trades (indirect proof that there is an mmr if you lose enough :P). Anyway, this does relate. If you took out all of the powerful/consistent decks in casual and just put in bad memes to the point that you get opponents that I got during that hotfix period for my deck then even when you do get wins off using your own meme decks you find that the wins mean way less and you care less about winning with fun decks because you weren't challenged and easily won against bad decks.
generally speaking net decking in casual is frowned upon, especially if you play some hyper aggressive deck. It's no fun when I pick my odd druid deck and get put up against something like net deck spell hunter.
the no meta decks in casual thing is super flawed thinking. Sometimes I want to play a meta deck because I just like it, but I don't know it inside out enough or it's not great for the meta so I don't want to lose any ladder progress with it.
I understand peoples desire to want to play decks with a power level similar to their own ,of course, and I think the casual MMR does a decent job of that. If you only play lower tier decks in casual then your MMR should more or less reflect that. It's obviously not perfect but what are you going to do other than make a new mode and try to regulate that in some way which seems like it's own can of worms.
I frequently test out new decks in casual just so I know how they perform and what their strengths and weaknesses are. Doesn't matter if it's a tier 1 netdeck or just some homebrew meme deck, I see casual as a place where you can try new things without your rank on the ladder suffering. So yeah, feel free to play whatever deck you like. Some people just get a bit salty when they lose.
I can understand he'd get a bit annoyed by ppl playing general meta decks in casual.
But no, there are no unwritten rules, and you have no obligation to change what you play based on what others think of it. If the game allows it, it is allowed, that simple.
Why u hav to be mad? is only card gaem.
I didn't even know my deck was considered top tier. I only have 2 legendaries from the current set, and one of them was Shavala and I wanted to use her/him. I looked up some decks and I had a lot of the cards for the OTK pally so I am trying that.
It acutally feels much less strong than the control Priest I was playing before, but I'm missing a couple legendaries the list calls for, so maybe that's it.
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I do not know about any rule, but I do playtest decks on ranked in 99 %
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Yep, MMR is a thing. Casual matchmaking is not random. The people complaining about facing netdecks in casual are only facing them because of an established history of playing with them and winning themselves. Switching back to a meme deck changes nothing unless you are willing to take your lumps and rack up enough losses to drop your MMR.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
I forgot the other thing in casual is fishing bots. I have 2 replays Vs. them this week.
Here is the 2nd I just got using my newly finished Tesspionage 2.0. it all looked grim for me till the point I got a 1 cost captain tusk and pulled 3 of my pirates. I then got 1 cost Edwin next. game turned nuts. I love random stuff like espionage. only wish I had that face collector card as that would be ideal in my new deck.
here is the thing if you wanna see it. https://hsreplay.net/replay/GqVTwEdQKh7ryeLMPwEfpU
Casual is meant to be a safe place for noobs to play without being smashed by meta decks. I think he is right. Stay out of casual if you are using a ladder deck.
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Ironic. It could recycle others, but not itself.
He's right but as long as it was a single test game and you explained as much to the guy it's not a big issue.