I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
This guy gets it. I started playing a couple months ago and dusted just about every other epic, legend, and golden I had to craft an odd pally deck. Not because it was OP, but because it was just about the only top deck without 3-8 legends and I could actually afford to build it.
What about the not top decks? As a guy that has mained Big Warlock for ~5 years, sorry, no sympathies.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
Claims to play for fun, chooses decks based on winrates and complains when they get nerfed... :thinking:
Tip: play a bad deck you enjoy solely for the reason of enjoying it. Play it with the mindset of knowing it's crap, and it can't get any worse, and even if it does, what does it matter?
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
This guy gets it. I started playing a couple months ago and dusted just about every other epic, legend, and golden I had to craft an odd pally deck. Not because it was OP, but because it was just about the only top deck without 3-8 legends and I could actually afford to build it.
What about the not top decks? As a guy that has mained Big Warlock for ~5 years, sorry, no sympathies.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
Claims to play for fun, chooses decks based on winrates and complains when they get nerfed... :thinking:
Tip: play a bad deck you enjoy solely for the reason of enjoying it. Play it with the mindset of knowing it's crap, and it can't get any worse, and even if it does, what does it matter?
The hell were you doing in Ranked? Casual has a neat MMR system.
I'd have to disagree, I've tried casual and most of the time you face unrefined really more arena-like than constructed decks. It's a very different experience and to me not in a good way, even if trying to complete a quest I'd rather sacrifice some stars and do it in ranked then play casual. Not to mention the fact that some people just concede as soon as they've completed their quest.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
If I had the luxury of choosing any deck I wanted then hell, why not, I’d pick a “challenging” one just to satisfy you. But I feel like I already explained that I just started playing this game and couldn’t afford a deck with multiple legendaries. Maybe you’re just bad at listening.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
If I had the luxury of choosing any deck I wanted then hell, why not, I’d pick a “challenging” one just to satisfy you. But I feel like I already explained that I just started playing this game and couldn’t afford a deck with multiple legendaries. Maybe you’re just bad at listening.
It's not about satisfying me, it's about you enjoying the game you play, but why don't you answer my questions properly instead of dodging them and resorting to absurd aggressions?
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
If I had the luxury of choosing any deck I wanted then hell, why not, I’d pick a “challenging” one just to satisfy you. But I feel like I already explained that I just started playing this game and couldn’t afford a deck with multiple legendaries. Maybe you’re just bad at listening.
It's not about satisfying me, it's about you enjoying the game you play, but why don't you answer my questions properly instead of dodging them and resorting to absurd aggressions?
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
If I had the luxury of choosing any deck I wanted then hell, why not, I’d pick a “challenging” one just to satisfy you. But I feel like I already explained that I just started playing this game and couldn’t afford a deck with multiple legendaries. Maybe you’re just bad at listening.
It's not about satisfying me, it's about you enjoying the game you play, but why don't you answer my questions properly instead of dodging them and resorting to absurd aggressions?
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
If I had the luxury of choosing any deck I wanted then hell, why not, I’d pick a “challenging” one just to satisfy you. But I feel like I already explained that I just started playing this game and couldn’t afford a deck with multiple legendaries. Maybe you’re just bad at listening.
It's not about satisfying me, it's about you enjoying the game you play, but why don't you answer my questions properly instead of dodging them and resorting to absurd aggressions?
Your questions are irrelevant. “Don’t you care how you win?” No because I don’t be have that luxury, I don’t know how else I can make that clear for you.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
Me personally? Yep. I play HS like every other game I have played. To Win. Other people are free to play for whatever reasons they want. That is their right. But when they start trying to create this delusion that certain decks/cards/playstyles/whatever is not acceptable, they are failing to acknowledge the rights of others. IOW, acting like douchebags.
I think Blizzard should cease to nerf cards. In my opinion it disproportionately affects f2p players including yours truly, so I should probably acknowledge subjectivity at this point lol. Sure, you get a full refund on the nerfed card, but you don't get it on other cards you crafted for that particular competitive deck to which the nerfed card belongs. And this is a problem because most f2p players have only one or two viable decks at their disposal at any given time. I personally find changing the meta every time you print new cards sufficient enough. Let people have some fun and run rampant with some powerful decks for a while. What's wrong with that. Mind you, I grew up playing HoM&M 3, so I'm used to imbalanced mechanics being present, but I think they can be fun. Alternatively instead of nerfing some cards, buff some cards in order to improve the balance. It can provide the same effect without effectively removing the decks people invested in from play and as an additional bonus no need to provide refunds of any kind. What do you guys think?
For a while??? Odd paladin is disturbingly OP for such a long time.
I have no problem with well-targeted nerfs. But killing an archetype, by deliberately targeting a key Common or a Rare, to avoid fair dust refunds, is extremely dubious. It's why I no longer spend money on the game.
I have been playing a free to play account in addition to my account I have most the cards on. If you do the daily challenges, even if you do not play arena you have more than 1 or 2 viable decks. You just do not realize it. If you think you need to play the best deck on HSreplay to be viable you are undervaluing skill on tier 2 or 3 decks. Look at any streamer. Most can hit legend with tier nowhere decks. You are unfairly judging the game based on an unnecessary box that you have created for yourself.
Ridiculous argument. The decks are just competitive now not busted. Also some cards that haven’t seen play before can now be used, making your collection more useful
I have no problem with well-targeted nerfs. But killing an archetype, by deliberately targeting a key Common or a Rare, to avoid fair dust refunds, is extremely dubious. It's why I no longer spend money on the game.
It is very necessary, and the right way to go about it. Legendaries are meant to be powerful, enough to build a deck around and create an archetype like you mentioned. The other cards are tools, support, and tech cards that are meant to be useful in these decks and added as you gain a bigger card base just like the legendaries. When a set is released very few people have all of the legendaries, as well as few Epics. So they build the best decks they can with the tools they have and spend dust to create decks that seem to do well in the current meta.
Problem is that there are some decks that have been around and are well sculpted like Odd Paladin, or Kingsbane. These decks are not fun decks. They are simply there to climb efficiently and after a while become the decks everyone complains about. Because they are tired of facing the same old decks for the past 6 -8 months. (Yes, some have been around that long). Like Quest rogue.
So here are the F2P players complaining that they can no longer play these nerfed decks and that they spent all of their pennies on 1 or 2 cards that are no longer in their eyes meaningful. And how as a community are we supposed to react to this?
Most people are happy, these are the people who prepurchased and have plenty of cards sitting around that see no play.
A small minority of F2P players are salty, they had 1 deck they spent everything on and now they claim it's worthless. "Blizzard screwed them over pretty good".
So ask yourself, are you in the happy group of people who are serious about the game and want to see more variety? Or are you part of the poor minority, who doesn't really care that much about the game and would never spend a dime on it anyway?
My guess is that Blizzard knows who really cares about the game and wants to see progression, and the poor F2P will always be around crying about how they get screwed because they don't have any money to spend and can't have any fun.
Aside from Wild Growth which was viewed as heavy-handed, the polls indicate the nerfs enjoy wide support from at least forum members on this site. This thread and ones like it are just salt from a vocal minority.
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Just a small history thing to add: Blizzard originally hated doing nerfs. They started off waiting for months after they were convinced there was a problem (that's AFTER spending months convincing them). A good example was Miracle Rogue in 2014. They knew it was a problem before Naxx showed up but decided to hold back to see if Naxx fixes the problem. Then they waited a month after Naxx was fully completed, then announced the changes which would come a month later.
The public was consistent in demanding faster turnaround times for nerfs. It came to a head during Mean Streets when Blizzard waited 2 months before trying to figure out if there was a problem when outcries for nerfs came a week after the expansion and remained until the nerfs in late February.
How this nerf session was handled is the culmination of 4 years of customer rage.
How many I crafted Kingsbane and now I'm salty threads can people make in 1 day?
Edit: oh and my other deck is Odd Paladin.
my kingsbane deck is solid gold and I give a shit what they nerf..I still mill the fuck out of lames and win still. I made KB gold when it released. You have to play the deck different but it still farms gold and makes people rage quit. What are you complaining about...you cant win at your pro tournaments and support your family without your kingsbane deck or some shite? get real nobody gaf dude. Oh wait let me guess your worthless digital cards are more worthless now maybe?
How many I crafted Kingsbane and now I'm salty threads can people make in 1 day?
Edit: oh and my other deck is Odd Paladin.
my kingsbane deck is solid gold and I give a shit what they nerf..I still mill the fuck out of lames and win still. I made KB gold when it released. You have to play the deck different but it still farms gold and makes people rage quit. What are you complaining about...you cant win at your pro tournaments and support your family without your kingsbane deck or some shite? get real nobody gaf dude. Oh wait let me guess your worthless digital cards are more worthless now maybe?
Yeah man, as a new player it was way more fun to actually win games in ranked with an affordable deck instead of getting my ass kicked over and over. I know it must have driven you crazy to watch such a simple deck kick your ass after you spent God knows how much money on this game, and I’m SO sorry if that somehow ruined the whole thing for you, but the bottom line is people like me have just as much right to enjoy this game as you do.
What about the not top decks? As a guy that has mained Big Warlock for ~5 years, sorry, no sympathies.
Claims to play for fun, chooses decks based on winrates and complains when they get nerfed... :thinking:
Tip: play a bad deck you enjoy solely for the reason of enjoying it. Play it with the mindset of knowing it's crap, and it can't get any worse, and even if it does, what does it matter?
The hell were you doing in Ranked? Casual has a neat MMR system.
So, is your concept of fun really just winning? Don't you care about how do you achieve your victories?
Bro if you have fun losing then have at it. I’m not gonna judge you, so why not offer me the same courtesy ya?
Amen to that. I see more hunter decks than anything these days and they did not get a single nerf.
I'd have to disagree, I've tried casual and most of the time you face unrefined really more arena-like than constructed decks. It's a very different experience and to me not in a good way, even if trying to complete a quest I'd rather sacrifice some stars and do it in ranked then play casual. Not to mention the fact that some people just concede as soon as they've completed their quest.
I play some games with a control shaman deck after the nerf in casual, they are:
1 rogue with the spirit + cards like Fungal, pretty fun match, I enjoy even when I lose for very close (1 Health left).
1 dragon warrior, I lose a very long match because my opponent get the 10 manas hunter dragon and play with a full hand, very enjoyable.
1 aggro paladin non odd/even one, pretty easy win for me.
1 control warlock, he concede after x2 hex in both Voidlord, nice game.
Before the nerfs, even in casual, only play vs degenerated, broken and tedious tier 1 decks, almost giving up playing HS.
This was the most necessary, well done nerfs in this game history, my only true disapoint is they take too long to make this kind of action.
If I had the luxury of choosing any deck I wanted then hell, why not, I’d pick a “challenging” one just to satisfy you. But I feel like I already explained that I just started playing this game and couldn’t afford a deck with multiple legendaries. Maybe you’re just bad at listening.
It's not about satisfying me, it's about you enjoying the game you play, but why don't you answer my questions properly instead of dodging them and resorting to absurd aggressions?
Your questions are irrelevant. “Don’t you care how you win?” No because I don’t be have that luxury, I don’t know how else I can make that clear for you.
Me personally? Yep. I play HS like every other game I have played. To Win. Other people are free to play for whatever reasons they want. That is their right. But when they start trying to create this delusion that certain decks/cards/playstyles/whatever is not acceptable, they are failing to acknowledge the rights of others. IOW, acting like douchebags.
For a while??? Odd paladin is disturbingly OP for such a long time.
I have no problem with well-targeted nerfs. But killing an archetype, by deliberately targeting a key Common or a Rare, to avoid fair dust refunds, is extremely dubious. It's why I no longer spend money on the game.
I have been playing a free to play account in addition to my account I have most the cards on. If you do the daily challenges, even if you do not play arena you have more than 1 or 2 viable decks. You just do not realize it. If you think you need to play the best deck on HSreplay to be viable you are undervaluing skill on tier 2 or 3 decks. Look at any streamer. Most can hit legend with tier nowhere decks. You are unfairly judging the game based on an unnecessary box that you have created for yourself.
Ridiculous argument. The decks are just competitive now not busted. Also some cards that haven’t seen play before can now be used, making your collection more useful
It is very necessary, and the right way to go about it. Legendaries are meant to be powerful, enough to build a deck around and create an archetype like you mentioned. The other cards are tools, support, and tech cards that are meant to be useful in these decks and added as you gain a bigger card base just like the legendaries. When a set is released very few people have all of the legendaries, as well as few Epics. So they build the best decks they can with the tools they have and spend dust to create decks that seem to do well in the current meta.
Problem is that there are some decks that have been around and are well sculpted like Odd Paladin, or Kingsbane. These decks are not fun decks. They are simply there to climb efficiently and after a while become the decks everyone complains about. Because they are tired of facing the same old decks for the past 6 -8 months. (Yes, some have been around that long). Like Quest rogue.
So here are the F2P players complaining that they can no longer play these nerfed decks and that they spent all of their pennies on 1 or 2 cards that are no longer in their eyes meaningful. And how as a community are we supposed to react to this?
Most people are happy, these are the people who prepurchased and have plenty of cards sitting around that see no play.
A small minority of F2P players are salty, they had 1 deck they spent everything on and now they claim it's worthless. "Blizzard screwed them over pretty good".
So ask yourself, are you in the happy group of people who are serious about the game and want to see more variety? Or are you part of the poor minority, who doesn't really care that much about the game and would never spend a dime on it anyway?
My guess is that Blizzard knows who really cares about the game and wants to see progression, and the poor F2P will always be around crying about how they get screwed because they don't have any money to spend and can't have any fun.
Aside from Wild Growth which was viewed as heavy-handed, the polls indicate the nerfs enjoy wide support from at least forum members on this site. This thread and ones like it are just salt from a vocal minority.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
Just a small history thing to add: Blizzard originally hated doing nerfs. They started off waiting for months after they were convinced there was a problem (that's AFTER spending months convincing them). A good example was Miracle Rogue in 2014. They knew it was a problem before Naxx showed up but decided to hold back to see if Naxx fixes the problem. Then they waited a month after Naxx was fully completed, then announced the changes which would come a month later.
The public was consistent in demanding faster turnaround times for nerfs. It came to a head during Mean Streets when Blizzard waited 2 months before trying to figure out if there was a problem when outcries for nerfs came a week after the expansion and remained until the nerfs in late February.
How this nerf session was handled is the culmination of 4 years of customer rage.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
my kingsbane deck is solid gold and I give a shit what they nerf..I still mill the fuck out of lames and win still. I made KB gold when it released. You have to play the deck different but it still farms gold and makes people rage quit. What are you complaining about...you cant win at your pro tournaments and support your family without your kingsbane deck or some shite? get real nobody gaf dude. Oh wait let me guess your worthless digital cards are more worthless now maybe?
What is this guy talking about?