well this is what gaming has come to. in every game the vast majority is running with the best deck/setup/gear/skillcombo/younameit , which is a little boring but those people are just trying to get the best possible results out of their game.
People are trying to min/max in games since the beginning. It isn't anything new in gaming. Contrary to your statement I would say there are more casual friendly and less skill intensive games than ever.
As a new player to this game (6 months) I am interested to see what ppl say here. I am trying to make my own decks because I can learn the most from them.
So many people voting for 50/50 or made own decks but I NEVER find any homebrew decks in the ladder, that's funny.
1. Lots of people picking 50/50 means that when you face one of us you have a 50% chance of facing a netdeck.
2. Many of the non-netdecks are either homebrews that ended up looking like a netdeck (no new ideas under the sun and all that) or tweaked versions of netdecks. As such you may be facing decks that aren't true netdecks but will look like it, especially if you start grumbling after seeing the same first few plays.
3. After ALL of that, remember that the people of hearthpwn take up less than 0.01% of the population. You can literally be playing for 8 hours a day for 5 years and never EVER meet a person in these forums, especially if you aren't playing at the upper end of legend (where the low number of players means they CAN meet each other).
50/50. Half of my decks are netdecks with at least 2 or 3 cards I don't have/don't like switched by another ones. The other half are wild/standard gimmicky decks for quest completion shenanigans.
I like to have one good archetype for each class for quests and when I get bored. Some are copied directly, some start as a net deck and I alter them. Some I brew from scratch.
There's nothing better than grinding an off-meta homebrew deck to legend though. Last 3 months I hit legend with a big D recruit warrior build that was alot of fun to play.
Home Brew decks are fine, until you reach rank 15. Netdecking happens a lot for a reason, the decks are just the best possible version of an archetype. That said though, I never copy decks completely, but I watch streamers etc using a deck that seems fun and then I use my own variant (check out my decks). Slight changes though, nothing to major.
whats the definition of homebrew deck by the community? is it the same like when you netdeck and change 1 or 2 card, then it can be called homebrew deck?
Home Brew decks are fine, until you reach rank 15. Netdecking happens a lot for a reason, the decks are just the best possible version of an archetype. That said though, I never copy decks completely, but I watch streamers etc using a deck that seems fun and then I use my own variant (check out my decks). Slight changes though, nothing to major.
Small aside: good players can and regularly do bring lower tier decks to legend. Rank 15 is the stopping point of casual players who aren't or can't, really try and are playing meme decks. Rank 5 is the stopping point of casuals who play top tier decks with some competency.
Otherwise, pretty much this. Remember that we have a few hundred people who's life's work is to find and perfect good decks. A 'netdeck' is simply just a deck those people found and shown publicly to the masses. There's a point when those people basically find all of the good decks, and a lot of the meme decks as well. That basically means any deck that isn't similar to one of those decks will be the 'dregs', decks that not even the pros can get to work even at a meme level.
whats the definition of homebrew deck by the community? is it the same like when you netdeck and change 1 or 2 card, then it can be called homebrew deck?
ps:sorry for my english
It's not exact, but GENNNNERALLY, a netdeck is when you make no changes. A homebrew is something you make from scratch. In truth, if you make it yourself but it ends up looking just like a netdeck it's still a homebrew but no one will believe you :P.
Decks that were netdecked then you change 1-2 cards are 'teched'. Good players take netdecks then 'tech' them to better fight against the opponents they want to fight (like putting silence cards against hunter decks). 'Tweaked' decks are when you take a netdeck then change it enough to make it very different (i.e. If you take Odd Rogue then swap a few cards with murlocs to make it faster).
Yes, the OP needed a lot more choices for the folks who Tweak or Tech netdecks :P.
Here's a different perspective... I netdeck because it's quick and easy. The mobile hearthstone apps IMO are not the smoothest especially the collection manager, so it's frustrating crafting your decks on mobile. I find whenever I get the chance to actually play on PC it's way easier crafting my own decks and I find that I'm more experimental because it's not a pain to whip cards in and out of a deck.
Currently I am 50/50, though I have been netdecking and giving my decks my own touch for the longest time. I don't really see the problem with netdecking. Gaming is about min/maxing your games, whether it comes to CCGs, strategy games or fps. Only in hearthstone you have a community toxic enough to condemn people for their playstyle.
The moral highground of some homebrew-deck-enthusiasts is annoying...
The rare times I netdeck, it's because Dane or another creative mind has created a janky archetype I'd never come up with.
I might make my own BS Tempo Mage, Odd Paladin or whatever other heap of OP cards I need to ladder up. It's not netdecking, but it is still not fun.
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Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health. - Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
I feel like in a game like hearthstone, in standard at least, it is really hard to homebrew just because there aren't that many cards available and most good decks are already figured out. Of course people still manage. The cards for heal zoolock were around for a few months before someone actually made that a deck, and then everyone was playing it.
I net deck almost all the time, and 100% of the time on ladder, my homebrew attempts are pretty small. Usually if i want to make something, it's something I know won't be that good before I start. Some of the stuff i've tried.
Elemental hand mage (before boomsday)
Malygos Shudderwock shaman
Midrange Dragon Shudderwock, and another version with dragons and elementals.
I often see a net deck and build my own version of it or tweak meta decks. But for me building my own decks and slowly adjusting and improving them is so satisfying. If Im purely trying to ladder(which rarely happens) I almost always use net decks
I always Homebrew, never used a netdeck. I don't DE cards other than extras so I have an extensive collection since my start during TGT 2015.
Now, I love to win, and it's not always easy. My opponent not knowing my deck ALWAYS helps, but what's helped the most has been Firebat's Deck Doctor series, that really helped me to learn what makes a winning deck.
I play 9 classes of all different archetypes, but it's important to recognize what the meta will bear. During WW, I built a quest druid that broke the meta w/ 65% winrate over 200 games, went to rank 2, could have easily gone legend if I had put in the time. That deck is totally useless now in the faster boomsday meta.
Right now tempo/midrange decks are a real sweet spot, and can beat a lot of the refined decks so long as you don't draw a crap hand. The actual design of said midrange deck has tons of options depending on class/archetypes/support. Yesterday's games 6-1 spellstone tempo warrior @ rank 8.
Net deck everything because I am f2p and have to disenchant most of my stuff to build decks that I want to actually play, I do make a lot of meme decks though that I use just for fun
Netdecking because I want to achieve legend the most efficiently possible, and having 60% winrate help a lot compared to 51% winrate with homebrew deck.
But I also like to try my own stuff on casual since playing the same deck over and over is pretty boring.
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People are trying to min/max in games since the beginning. It isn't anything new in gaming. Contrary to your statement I would say there are more casual friendly and less skill intensive games than ever.
As a new player to this game (6 months) I am interested to see what ppl say here. I am trying to make my own decks because I can learn the most from them.
1. Lots of people picking 50/50 means that when you face one of us you have a 50% chance of facing a netdeck.
2. Many of the non-netdecks are either homebrews that ended up looking like a netdeck (no new ideas under the sun and all that) or tweaked versions of netdecks. As such you may be facing decks that aren't true netdecks but will look like it, especially if you start grumbling after seeing the same first few plays.
3. After ALL of that, remember that the people of hearthpwn take up less than 0.01% of the population. You can literally be playing for 8 hours a day for 5 years and never EVER meet a person in these forums, especially if you aren't playing at the upper end of legend (where the low number of players means they CAN meet each other).
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
50/50.
Half of my decks are netdecks with at least 2 or 3 cards I don't have/don't like switched by another ones.
The other half are wild/standard gimmicky decks for quest completion shenanigans.
I hate bell pepper as much I hate OTK decks
I like to have one good archetype for each class for quests and when I get bored. Some are copied directly, some start as a net deck and I alter them. Some I brew from scratch.
There's nothing better than grinding an off-meta homebrew deck to legend though. Last 3 months I hit legend with a big D recruit warrior build that was alot of fun to play.
Home Brew decks are fine, until you reach rank 15. Netdecking happens a lot for a reason, the decks are just the best possible version of an archetype. That said though, I never copy decks completely, but I watch streamers etc using a deck that seems fun and then I use my own variant (check out my decks). Slight changes though, nothing to major.
https://outof.cards
whats the definition of homebrew deck by the community? is it the same like when you netdeck and change 1 or 2 card, then it can be called homebrew deck?
ps:sorry for my english
Small aside: good players can and regularly do bring lower tier decks to legend. Rank 15 is the stopping point of casual players who aren't or can't, really try and are playing meme decks. Rank 5 is the stopping point of casuals who play top tier decks with some competency.
Otherwise, pretty much this. Remember that we have a few hundred people who's life's work is to find and perfect good decks. A 'netdeck' is simply just a deck those people found and shown publicly to the masses. There's a point when those people basically find all of the good decks, and a lot of the meme decks as well. That basically means any deck that isn't similar to one of those decks will be the 'dregs', decks that not even the pros can get to work even at a meme level.
It's not exact, but GENNNNERALLY, a netdeck is when you make no changes. A homebrew is something you make from scratch. In truth, if you make it yourself but it ends up looking just like a netdeck it's still a homebrew but no one will believe you :P.
Decks that were netdecked then you change 1-2 cards are 'teched'. Good players take netdecks then 'tech' them to better fight against the opponents they want to fight (like putting silence cards against hunter decks). 'Tweaked' decks are when you take a netdeck then change it enough to make it very different (i.e. If you take Odd Rogue then swap a few cards with murlocs to make it faster).
Yes, the OP needed a lot more choices for the folks who Tweak or Tech netdecks :P.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
Fun homebrews in wild casual, netdecks in ranked standard, balances the fun and the competitive aspect of the game
Here's a different perspective... I netdeck because it's quick and easy. The mobile hearthstone apps IMO are not the smoothest especially the collection manager, so it's frustrating crafting your decks on mobile. I find whenever I get the chance to actually play on PC it's way easier crafting my own decks and I find that I'm more experimental because it's not a pain to whip cards in and out of a deck.
I smell BS
Currently I am 50/50, though I have been netdecking and giving my decks my own touch for the longest time. I don't really see the problem with netdecking. Gaming is about min/maxing your games, whether it comes to CCGs, strategy games or fps. Only in hearthstone you have a community toxic enough to condemn people for their playstyle.
The moral highground of some homebrew-deck-enthusiasts is annoying...
The rare times I netdeck, it's because Dane or another creative mind has created a janky archetype I'd never come up with.
I might make my own BS Tempo Mage, Odd Paladin or whatever other heap of OP cards I need to ladder up. It's not netdecking, but it is still not fun.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
I feel like in a game like hearthstone, in standard at least, it is really hard to homebrew just because there aren't that many cards available and most good decks are already figured out. Of course people still manage. The cards for heal zoolock were around for a few months before someone actually made that a deck, and then everyone was playing it.
I net deck almost all the time, and 100% of the time on ladder, my homebrew attempts are pretty small. Usually if i want to make something, it's something I know won't be that good before I start. Some of the stuff i've tried.
I often see a net deck and build my own version of it or tweak meta decks. But for me building my own decks and slowly adjusting and improving them is so satisfying. If Im purely trying to ladder(which rarely happens) I almost always use net decks
I always Homebrew, never used a netdeck. I don't DE cards other than extras so I have an extensive collection since my start during TGT 2015.
Now, I love to win, and it's not always easy. My opponent not knowing my deck ALWAYS helps, but what's helped the most has been Firebat's Deck Doctor series, that really helped me to learn what makes a winning deck.
I play 9 classes of all different archetypes, but it's important to recognize what the meta will bear. During WW, I built a quest druid that broke the meta w/ 65% winrate over 200 games, went to rank 2, could have easily gone legend if I had put in the time. That deck is totally useless now in the faster boomsday meta.
Right now tempo/midrange decks are a real sweet spot, and can beat a lot of the refined decks so long as you don't draw a crap hand. The actual design of said midrange deck has tons of options depending on class/archetypes/support. Yesterday's games 6-1 spellstone tempo warrior @ rank 8.
Short summery: Less wins, more fun.
some of my better home brews I would say can achieve tier 2, maybe pushing tier 1 win rates.
I make my own decks 95-99 % of the time. (Not for Tavern Brawls where I find the restrictions boring and just want 1 win for the pack.)
I have no opinions on others. People are allowed to do whatever they want to do within the rules of the game/format.
Net deck everything because I am f2p and have to disenchant most of my stuff to build decks that I want to actually play, I do make a lot of meme decks though that I use just for fun
Netdecking because I want to achieve legend the most efficiently possible, and having 60% winrate help a lot compared to 51% winrate with homebrew deck.
But I also like to try my own stuff on casual since playing the same deck over and over is pretty boring.