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ha ha, thanks man.
I'm going to be real with you. What you want it impossible to do at the level you're insisting on. I'll slap together a quick example to show how you're wrong.
Say I put the ten best cards of [insert playstyle here] on the chopping block. Done, you can't use those in any deck of this impossible mode you want. Yay, miracles and rainbows we can fun the fun out of our fun again! Okay, random Snidely Whiplash queues up their evil aggro net deck and mops the floor with you. *Boo!* "Face can't go face!" *Cue ban hammer on top ten worst aggro card offenders. *Aggro player shrugs and puts together quick zoo lock because low curves with quick life tap cycling is still faster than your [insert random N'Zoth Tiger Druid or Murloc Warrior here].* *Cue ban hammer again on top 10 net deck cards from every playstyle until you've whittled down to Boulderfist Ogres and 2/1 Murlocs.
Mr. Random Snidely Whiplash still puts together an evil net deck, of sorts, in Clown Fiesta Homebrew Town, and mops the floor with you because hey, 1/2/3 mana minions are still faster than Boulderfist Ogre.
/cuehappyneverafter
Okay, so I took this more from of the POV of aggro vs control, but the reality still stands. You ban something from casual and players will still find the most optimized versions of aggro/midrange/control/combo that they can in such a mode and use that instead. You ban more stuff and they'll try to find new optimizations (aka "net decks"). Most casual homebrews are not optimizations of any of the playstyles, which means whatever weird net deck optimization other players can piece together will net more consistency at what they do for whichever playstyle they play when compared to a casual funsies homebrew that does not value as much comparative consistency.
Yep, wild casual is really casual! You get some netdecking now and then but it is not as prevalent.
Last night I got this new darkest hours warlock in casual but managed to counter it with my homebrew
Netdeckers in casual are salty trash from ranked. They are idiots who get rekt so hard in ranked even with thier tier S decks and try to vent of their frustration in casual. The constant spamming and roping, especially of smorcers, make it too obvious .All the other reasons are bullshit excuses. Time restrictions? Quest completion? B*tches please...you can do all these in ranked too.
I'm not talking about a global ban, I'm talking about a game mode where you have custom game settings. Let ME ban specific cards or classes. I don't care if that increases my queue time to HOURS. I am willing to go down that road.
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As I said that doesn't qualify as an "abuse". Such an outcome is the intention of the system.
Isn't it obvious? We want people to have fun and if someone would be so "mad" that they want to "punish" the other they're clearly not having fun and with such a system people are more incentivised to make the game play out more fun for everybody. To be fair, maybe we would need a better communication system as well, but it's clearly better in principle if we want everyone to have a great time. (In case you missed it again: I'm talking only about casual. Not everything need to be as tryhardy competitive as ranked IMO.)
But I want to clarify some details. I think XP and quest progression towards anything that doesn't require to win should go completely uneffected. It should only strip away the win. And I think it would also be important that you can change your "rating" after you received yours. So that if you want to "punish" the other it's very likely they will just do the same to you. But since we're in casual it shouldn't matter much because casual should be the place to just have fun and where you don't care that much about winning. That's the reason why I suggested it. Maybe you want something more like "unranked" which is exactly how "casual" is right now. But I for one would like to have a "true casual". Hopefully that makes it clear.
I think I played less than 100 games in casual from the day I begun to play and if I do some playtesting, I do it in ranked, 'coz I like to baffle, distract and confuse the opponent.
With decks threre are two ways
- you want to win as much games as possible, so you netdeck (because trying to build your own super deck usually take you to the close similarity with that one deck every netdecker netdeck)
- you want to have fun, so you build an unusual deck with specific way to play
So summed up, it is about the people - as usuall.
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While i haven't read what others said, i think it's absolutely fine as long as you dont abuse it. For example,if im playing tempo rogue and the opponent drops a crocolisk, i instantly concede. I get that he's a new player,farming for gold. But destroying people with tier 1 decks while they have 0 collection is just unacceptable.
I usually play casual to try ideas and then take them to ranked. Maybe others wanna practise tier 1 decks so to be more successful on ladder. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Agreed but it is unacceptable when Casual is 80 to 100% netdecks.
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I agree and wish casual contained less netdecks when all I want to do is meme out or work on a homebrew without feeling like I'm playing ladder sans the reward of winning higher ranks if I do well, but I have to ask what the perceived solution is. Should Blizzard create a database that updates with withe most popular builds and set a parameter of X number of card variations to either accept/deny a deck from a no-netdecking version of casual? Would Blizzard ever even see value in
I haven't kept up with much on this thread since it's gone so long now that I couldn't give it much more of my attention, so you may have addressed this already (sorry to bring it up again if you have!). Taking a step back and looking at the OP's original post, it's led to a place where either people think netdecking is fine in casual or it's a problem. I just want to know if there's an idea of how this could be fixed or is it more of a "This bothers me and I don't like it," approach taken here. If it's the latter, this thread might be done at this point and any further complaints about netdecking in casual might be better relegated to the salt thread.
I can't stress this enough: I'm not trying to police anyone, I'm just putting in my two cents and asking what could be done (if anything at all).
Rage quitting: the best way to ensure your opponent knows they beat a giant baby.
New mode (or, since they've already admitted they have no plans to add a new mode in the near future) just add custom game settings to Casual:
just throwing out some ideas.
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I like that. I think as long as there's a way for the opponent to "accept the terms" that would be a great solution. Plenty of players still don't care if casual is 80% netdecks, and being forced into a card or build ban would turn people from casual pretty quickly, since - without countermeasures like opponent approval - it could quickly turn into custom settings to ensure you can run an aggro deck to max out your daily gold limit. Blizzard isn't going to make it that easy for F2P.
I'd love to see Blizzard work on a way to enact some of these ideas. It would be nice to eliminate some cards or full decks when I just want to enjoy the game outside of the meta.
Rage quitting: the best way to ensure your opponent knows they beat a giant baby.
Very good ideas! Sounds great. To make it worth their effort I would even be willing to pay a small subscription (or maybe a bigger one time payment might be enough?) to have access to something like this. But I'm not sure how many others would consider that as well. After all you already buy packs to get the cards. Maybe make it come with some of those "casual only" cards, so people are interested in it. I would really love to see this. It would be a dream come true for me.
There's nine pages and i refuse to go back and read everything but here's my personal opinion on netdecking.
I think it's dumb, but i personally enjoy deckbuilding, i'm building a dragon mage right now, and it sucks ass, because i've never made a mage deck before, and that is what is fun to me. What's fun to other people is hitting copy and paste on some aggro deck that only costs 6k dust and playing only 4 games with it a day, or playing thief rogue, or some other retarded deck that one guy has made that is currently popular and is stupid as hell to play against for someone like me that has shit luck, that's why when i see someone playing the copy pasted thief rogue deck i auto concede, not because my shitty mage deck auto loses to it, but because i don't want to deal with the bullshit they would spew for the next 20+ turns. And when netdecking is a more common thing, i just auto concede to every rogue now, because it's always that same shitty deck i don't want to queue into and since everyone is playing it it makes me, someone that enjoys making and testing out new decks, and deck archetypes, not want to play the game anymore.
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Exactly this. My best experience was when I was playing against a person who clearly had a "play X demons" quest while I had a similar quest. Neither of us killed the other and only traded minions when we both realized the situation. We both decked ourselves and completed the respective questions.
Blizzard will never do this. Never in a million years.
A game mode like this would make the game a lot easier to enjoy for free players. Do you understand why that is not in Blizzard's best interest?
Hearthstone is not meant to be played for free in the long term. The only way Hearthstone exists is by converting free players to paying players, and to keep those players paying.
Without the incentive to buy more cards, the game would die immediately.
Kaladin's plan would work great if Hearthstone used a Living Card Game business model, where you pay a flat rate to get all the cards in a set, but that's not the model they chose.
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I've shelled out well over $1k on Hearthstone, yet oddly enough, my concerns about Casual have never been higher.
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You clarified your point, but I was praying to anything that would listen that you weren't making the point you are. At this point I don't know if I'm getting trolled or what...I'm honestly baffled.
On the positive side, I'm definitely glad your point is only going to affect the win at the very least if there's no convincing you otherwise. I take your point to be inclusive that minion based quests (summon x, y, z, minions or summon x amount of y cost minions) go unaffected by this idea as well. Thus I'm responding assuming that we found some true clarification that ONLY the win-related quests can be denied by this supposed "format". To close on that clarification, at least that's not absolutely dreadful. What you're suggesting has the possibility to make the opponent think: "Ok I tried to go for the easy 3 Druid win quest in casual with Token, but I see my opponents are going to keep denying me wins because I could just as easily take this to ranked considering its current power level". To that extent, at least the idea is a bit less fantastical.
However, at the core this requires sooooo much back-end... not only do you both get to rate the match and decide the final outcome after playing, but then you get a notification that your opponent chose the negative outcome and thus you now have the right to change your mind because they chose the negative outcome for you. (Any other permutation of this idea would go into an infinite loop of pop up questions, so I'm assuming this is the way you'd suggest it go.) On top of that the point still stands that there is no way built into your system to decide if the player didn't have fun because they lost, or didn't have fun because they faced a net-deck. There has to be some way to build accountability and there isn't. What I've been trying to explain to you is your idea allows anyone unhappy to ruin it for others by jumping into games and slamming the "negative" option regardless of the cards played, difficulty of the deck, or its popularity.
You simply cannot create a mode where the user has all the power. MAYBE some of the netdecks go away because the stubborn players that try to Tier 1 your casual mode realize it doesn't benefit them to be there. But MANY MANY more will just queue in, finish the game, and vote all their opponents negative out of defiance sake alone. People are terrible to each other- just look at this thread... it's 9 pages deep and half of it is us and three other people arguing. It simply. Won't. Work.