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I feel like the biggest problem is Ultimate Infestation, along with Spreading Plague; is there any counter to those cards?

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I feel like the biggest problem is Ultimate Infestation, along with Spreading Plague; is there any counter to those cards?

The vibe that's finally becoming clearer to the community: it's not JUST about the power level of druid.

It's when the game is flooded with anything it also makes the games way more boring. And it doesn't help that Jade is really dull. 

Is Blizzard expecting hearthstone to continue to get better? It seems possible the game is past its best moment

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It was on tablet so I unfortunately can't verify it.  If you lose the early game as Jade Druid, you lose the game.  If the opponent goes wide, it's also very hard to come back.   I'd say any solid midrange or reliable combo/OTK deck should have a reasonable winrate vs Jade Druid. 

 Lose the early game? On turn 5 you can play plague and never have to worry about the board for the entire game.

I'm more frustrated by the sheer amount of Druid's I face and not really their power level.  I think Druid (while very strong) would be much healthier if they simply moved Innervate to Hall of Fame.  Not having to deal with Lich King (or UI, or ya know, any other giant minion) on turn 5 would quell some of the salt I think.

A pirate warrior complaining. What a joke. I'd have sympathy if you played pretty much any other deck. Also, Jade is aids. Good luck getting Blizz to nerf it. We have 8 more months of this.

It's interesting, I'm playing casual to save my stars for the end of the season and I am seeing zero druids. Why?

Cause why would druids play casual? No experimentation, no creativity, no worries; they KNOW that their deck will work in ranked

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My problem with Jade Druid, Pirate Warrior, Mid Sham, Undertaker hunter metas and their ilk is that they stifle any deck creativity. 

I am genuinely curious when Dean Ayala or BB says things to the effect of "Hunter in Ungoro actually had the highest winrate deck". There is never any further context to those statements which I presume to mean "in the rank 25-20 meta" or with a sample size of 20 games (kappa) since that was absolutely not what was seen at all in ungoro meta at any level of ladder I experienced or watched for 3 months. To me it's as asinine as stating "by the way there was an awesome warlock deck in ungoro and everyone missed it" or more recently "play meat wagon for fun....". Just find these statements hard to take seriously.

Now onto the current meta and jades. UI SP and Idol are the culprits. You can go back on hearthpwn in MSG and everyone railed against the design of Jade Idol its just a pure garbage design (regardless of impact in metas) and there are a million ways to make it actually fair. UI is a joke in a ramp class full stop. SP is another gap card that allows the deck to bridge . 

These are the devs that saw tar creeper put in aggro druid and put in  a 1/6 that grows and assumed it was a ctrl card? I mean come on.

I digress...tired of queing into the same deck 6/10 games and then the other 4 are PW or Murlocpal. Time for wild or break!

You're in for a surprise, mate.

 This ^ in Wild it's exactly the same 6/10 games are Jade Druid or Egg/Aggro Druid then the others are Renolock or Secret Pally. Can't tell which meta is worse tbh they're both in a pretty bad spot.

I totally understand the OP's frustration, but jade really isn't the problem (as annoying as it is). As I see it, the "broken" feel to playing against druids right now is that Ultimate Infestation allows them to ramp without penalty, which just simply puts the game out of reach for most decks.

Essentially every type of druid just looks to ramp and draw their deck as fast as possible to find an Ultimate Infestation. Based on this reality, pretty much every type of druid is playing way ahead of their opponent when the first Ultimate Infestation does get played - usually to their opponent's face - at which point the druid also gets to armor up, puts a 5/5 minion on the board, and re-fills their hand. Adding insult to injury, odds are the druid will also score an Innervate (or two), so they also get to take a mini Time Warp after the Ultimate Infestation.

Bottom line: If Bliz nerfs a card, it should be Ultimate Infestation, because that's what's causing the warped meta right now.

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Nerfs need for druid now:

Jade Idol need to cost 10 manas, anything less and the card still a problem.

Ultimate infestation cannot draw 5 cards, it is too much advantage, only trade this part for put five 1/1 tokens or gain 5 life or something like that.

The hero have to cost 9 manas like mage and rogue, the class ramp and have Innervate, a cheap hero card is broken in class.

And finally Innervate need to go to Hall Of Fame, all arguments used for PO apply twice in this card.

UI Should be 10 mana, "Deal 5 damage.  Gain 5 armor.  Choose One: Summon a 5/5 or Draw 5 cards."

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UI Should be 10 mana, "Deal 5 damage.  Gain 5 armor.  Choose One: Summon a 5/5 or Draw 5 cards."

 

 I disagree. The card draw is worth 10 mana in itself. You could have 5 mana, 5 armor and 5/5 as one option and draw 5 cards as another and it would still see play in many decks. Alternatively we could have it at 5 damage and 5/5 as one option and 5 armor and 5 cards as another.

Considering the style they're going for with the card, I think 3/3/3/3 everything would perfectly balanced. 4/4/4/4 is still more value than one card justifies.

It's kind of amazing me right now that so many people are focused on Jade Druid. 

I just climbed to legend using Priest and Paladin all the way up to mid rank 2 at which point I just could not break through the wall of Aggro Druids (at least without losing my sanity). So like a sniveling coward I switch to Aggro Druid - a deck I have very little familiarity with. I won 75% of games at high rank and was able to concede early when they were not working. I achieved legend from mid rank 2 within a hour or so. THIS DECK IS TOO EASY TO PILOT AND WAY TOO POWERFUL!

Nerfing innervate is the only way out I can see. The meta is garbage at the moment. 

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It's kind of amazing me right now that so many people are focused on Jade Druid. 

I just climbed to legend using Priest and Paladin all the way up to mid rank 2 at which point I just could not break through the wall of Aggro Druids (at least without losing my sanity). So like a sniveling coward I switch to Aggro Druid - a deck I have very little familiarity with. I won 75% of games at high rank and was able to concede early when they were not working. I achieved legend from mid rank 2 within a hour or so. THIS DECK IS TOO EASY TO PILOT AND WAY TOO POWERFUL!

Nerfing innervate is the only way out I can see. The meta is garbage at the moment. 

 

 

That dynamic is making the meta truly broken at the moment but even when control decks return I am worried about the power level of aggro druid. I cannot believe they printed druid of the swarm and crypt lord. Innervating them out is just too powerful. 

 Jade druid is the problem because it keeps control decks in check which can beat aggro druid.

 

Just played 15 matches between rank 3-2 & faced 11 druids. Shits getting beyond boring.

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It's kind of amazing me right now that so many people are focused on Jade Druid. 

I just climbed to legend using Priest and Paladin all the way up to mid rank 2 at which point I just could not break through the wall of Aggro Druids (at least without losing my sanity). So like a sniveling coward I switch to Aggro Druid - a deck I have very little familiarity with. I won 75% of games at high rank and was able to concede early when they were not working. I achieved legend from mid rank 2 within a hour or so. THIS DECK IS TOO EASY TO PILOT AND WAY TOO POWERFUL!

Nerfing innervate is the only way out I can see. The meta is garbage at the moment. 

 

 

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druid is fine, play a different GAME.

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It's kind of amazing me right now that so many people are focused on Jade Druid. 

I just climbed to legend using Priest and Paladin all the way up to mid rank 2 at which point I just could not break through the wall of Aggro Druids (at least without losing my sanity). So like a sniveling coward I switch to Aggro Druid - a deck I have very little familiarity with. I won 75% of games at high rank and was able to concede early when they were not working. I achieved legend from mid rank 2 within a hour or so. THIS DECK IS TOO EASY TO PILOT AND WAY TOO POWERFUL!

Nerfing innervate is the only way out I can see. The meta is garbage at the moment. 

 

 

So you had to resort to an OP, broken ass deck just to get to hit legend. Awesome accomplishment bro.