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Quote from Scarthcaroth >>

Yes, I've oversimplified what control does but I will not stop saying that Jade Druid in its current form, is what ruins other control decks.

 

fine, lets nerf jade idol and push an already tier 2 deck into the gutter. 

Quote from LordPikachuStarscream >>

Quote from Scarthcaroth >>

Yes, I've oversimplified what control does but I will not stop saying that Jade Druid in its current form, is what ruins other control decks.

 

 How do you respond to the counterargument that 90% of the decks you face aren't Jade Druid? 

My experience 5 minutes ago. I'm playing mill rogue in casual. Que into druid. Druid goes first and immediately shuffles 3 jade idols into his deck. I concede. Seriously how the fuck can anyone defend this shit? It literally killed any gameplan I had or could have made on turn 1. Shit is indefensible and bad for the game. I can't play this game anymore. Not until ungoro anyways. Take care all. 

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Quote from SchruteBucks >>

fine, lets nerf jade idol and push an already tier 2 deck into the gutter. 

 dude, we don't aim to demolish the deck, just to make it more fair to play against

in the early game it losses to tempo, but at the late game with the auctioneer it snowballs really fast

how can you expect to estimate a board, when you clear a big wave of minions, just to see in the next turn how it got even bigger

I'm personally ok if we make the cost of jade idol 2 mana - druid will still be able to summon infinite jades, will still be able to use the auctioneer, but the snowballing pace will be slowed

Quote from Brannrik >>

I also feel that jade idol is super broken - no other card no even combo of a few cards has had the power before to remove whole archtyped from the meta. And yes decks like control warrior would have farmed wins against most pirate decks - but if they are helpless against most jade meachanics especially against druid when tuned to do so they have completely vanished. Jade idol is just another example of often bad balance in Hearthstone with cheap and and powerful questions (jade golems in this case) and situational and often expensive answers (anything that is able to deal with it/ remove it). Making a card that alone has the option to overcome one of the core game ending mechanics (fatigue in this case) without a single draw back at all is ridiculous.
As a start they could nerv jade idol to read: "choose one: summon a jade golem or shuffle 3 jade scrolls into your deck". These scrolls cost 1 mana and summon a jade golem just like now but without the option to reshuffle those for an infinite loop. This would still be enough to be comboed to great effect, but people would have to consider how much they wanna draw and the jade spam would end at a certain point. Granted they still grow really big - but the point is not to completely destroy the mechanic even though it is super boring.
Really hoping for the new expension to introduce some nice cards and mechanics that reward good play and foresight rather than just drawing and playing on curve or winning the daily lottery of rngstone.

I like how there are still topics about Jade Idol being broken so Team 5 can see them but I just don't want to write about why is it broken anymore because I've said it thousand times already and I'm really really tired by now. Seeing people defend Jade Idol honestly makes me sick.

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Quote from Scarthcaroth >>

Yes, I've oversimplified what control does but I will not stop saying that Jade Druid in its current form, is what ruins other control decks.

 

 How do you respond to the counterargument that 90% of the decks you face aren't Jade Druid? 

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Quote from SchruteBucks >>

fine, lets nerf jade idol and push an already tier 2 deck into the gutter. 

 dude, we don't aim to demolish the deck, just to make it more fair to play against

in the early game it losses to tempo, but at the late game with the auctioneer it snowballs really fast

how can you expect to estimate a board, when you clear a big wave of minions, just to see in the next turn how it got even bigger

I'm personally ok if we make the cost of jade idol 2 mana - druid will still be able to summon infinite jades, will still be able to use the auctioneer, but the snowballing pace will be slowed

 no no you have it wrong, we need to make sure that jade druid is never played again, so that precious snowflakes can play a real control deck.

 dude, no need to be ironical here

any other class would need answers for those big minions and some of them are really expensive ( full removals like  twisting nether; equality + consecration {those are even two cards} ) and will be exhausted sooner or later, while your opp builds a massive board over and over; you can't build a board and start playing from there
i'm not defending control decks, but ANY deck that goes to late game;

because while the pirates are early game bullies, the jade dudus are late ones, especially when they speed up the factory

 

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Quote from MistaMoh >>

Guys, Jade Idol didn't only ruin Fatigue archetypes, it also ruined slow decks as a whole.

Please, don't compare this to CW vs Freeze. Freeze is one deck, control is a part of the community.

 

 Actually, Freeze Mage is part of the Combo archetype, which as a whole suffers at the hands of Control Warrior, so it is not just one deck. 

 

Quote from On3_M4n_Army >>

I like how there are still topics about Jade Idol being broken so Team 5 can see them but I just don't want to write about why is it broken anymore because I've said it thousand times already and I'm really really tired by now. Seeing people defend Jade Idol honestly makes me sick.

Reno lock works ok against jade.

ITS SO Frickin simple to nerf it....

Literally make the jade idols it puts into the deck not possible to put more into the deck. You can still put 6 extra idols in your deck but it completely curves the absurdity of shutting down every control deck.

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Quote from Brannrik >>

I also feel that jade idol is super broken - no other card no even combo of a few cards has had the power before to remove whole archtyped from the meta. 

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Quote from Brannrik >>

I also feel that jade idol is super broken - no other card no even combo of a few cards has had the power before to remove whole archtyped from the meta. 

 Are you... actually comparing a 7 mana 9/7 that can be silenced off to remove it's sustain to a 1 mana unlimited x/x that you can draw multiples of in the late game with Gagetzan Auctioneer?

 

Holy hell dude you must be high as fuck. 

Only decks with super unfair mechanics to rely on ever seem to come into the meta. Part of the problem is that by design, control was  the archetype that, while feeling powerful, also felt fair to play, as decisions really matter when piloting the decks as your resources are limited and though you have many answers they are specific to particular situations, nor did you kill your opponent from no where with an OTK, nor rush your opponent down before they had a chance to play the game.

Jade druid is the antithesis of this idea and punishes decks with a variety of answers, as the jade druid has to die before it gets out of control, answers lead to bigger problems next turn - it is infinite and exponential. It's cards being based on this idea, quality of play matters little, in the end the pay off is always overwhelming.  This forces control to embrace combo options to have any chance of winning at all, as dealing incremental damage, is by design very difficult to achieve.

For these reasons, Jade Druid is too powerful as a tier 2 deck, it should be tier 3/4/sub-tier gimmick deck - capable of climbing to rank 5 and beyond perhaps in the hands of a skilled, experienced player if you draw well, but no more. Because right now it is forcing non meta control decks completely off the ladder. I'm pretty sure if the hunter hero power started as 1 damage and gained 1 damage with every use people would be saying it was busted, it's not far off the equivalent of that. I think jade idol may be the most design space limiting card ever printed in hearthstone.