I have faced bots around rank 7-5 myself, so the AI's are improving. I recognize the bots by constant delay from a move to another, no red light from hover, no target arrow and more.
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Still trying to get legendary, after a years hovering in ranks 5-1. Ranking of classes based on power and enjoyment playing it:
1. Mage - Tempo/Mech/Freeze 2. Druid - Standard Midrange Ramp 3. Hunter - Midrange/Face 4. Paladin - Midrange/Control 5. Warrior - Standard Control 6. Rogue - Sprint Oil 7. Priest - Control 8. Warlock - Handlock/Zoo 9. Shaman - Mech/Midrange
I have faced bots around rank 7-5 myself, so the AI's are improving. I recognize the bots by constant delay from a move to another, no red light from hover, no target arrow and more.
I think the hover highlight and targeting arrow don't show up if your opponent is on an iPad. I could be wrong, though.
Well i know who used bot to get legendary and there are alot of players around rank 3-1 as 12 wins in arena.
Bots can be used legally too, it simply can say Play this: Golem -> Azure Drake , Hero Power-> face , that is legal 100% automation not, but hard to proof . Is a card game , math and statistics will apply and will win overtime if bots aren't top of the ladder is due to their bugs , but they average 6 wins in arena easily and got some legend ranks with Druid, Shaman etc.
Why the hell would anyone want to use a bot for this game?? seriously, it's not like you can make money from it. Now, online poker, I can see some reasoning behind it, but there's nothing to be gained from using a bot in HS. It's just dumb.
but what is even worse is that those bots can acctualy win and get to legend rank. it just shows how little skill this game takes
Proof?
Bots use braindead decks like face Zoo to farm rank 20 with 25% winrate or so to get golden portraits and the daily 100 gold. It's rather impossible for a bot to reach rank 15+, not even talking about legend (lol).
€: Nevermind, it seems this story is (at least partly) legit and bots did take a huge leap in efficiency. Blizzard should hire the bot programmer (and ban all the users).
Bots have definitely reached legend, even when the owners of that bot could not. They are becoming really good, a friend of mine is big into the botting community, he did so with WoW and Diablo and is now doing so with Shaman. His Shaman bot hit legend for him while he was sleeping one night.
Guess I could get a screeny from him but I don't have direct proof. But I know for a fact bots can hit legend without much trouble.
I really don't mind playing against bot in ranked, as long as they are good enough and deserve the rank. However I think they should be banned from arena. Bots can play 24/7 and get very decent result in arena simple minion trading styles (I heard they even get 12 wins). They are making lots of gold at an unfair rate as compared to human players.
Why do people keep thinking card optimal AI isn't possible to implement in this game? Blizzard could easily do it, but they intentionally leave it flawed to be beatable and allow players to set the standards of difficulty beyond that. Heroic would be impossible to beat if they didn't intentionally give it bad habits. A bot can be made to surpass any human player since it can make tons of calculations of possible scenarios at once and then set to observe decks it faces to build a weighting of the potential decklist to determine possible draws.
Also people put WAY too much weight into the luck of this game (and then for some reason say it has more RNG than Magic...which I call insane amounts of BS on). This game has tons of valid play options every turn that are near optimal, it is often hard to discern which is the best route. I'd say Zoo is probably the only deck where I can't help but not respect the player and say it's more about luck than skill...but even then this game is very deep despite people pointing out random effect cards.
If you win more than 50% of the time, after enough games you WILL hit legend. That's what these bots are designed around. Playing lots and lots of fast games and just grinding slowly but surely to legend.
I'm sorry, I would need extraordinary evidence to believe a claim as extraordinary as "bots can maintain a good enough win rate to climb the ladder to legendary".
Bots grinding away at rank 20, getting their 100 gold a day and eventually golden heroes, despite their shitty win rate? That I can believe.
Bots botting to legend? You'll have to do a lot better than "a friend of mine got legend one night on his shaman bot" to convince me.
I've seen lots of streamers play with useful third-party tools, not everybody is using third-party tools to cheat. An example would be when I saw somebody streaming using voice commands. He would make noises with his mouth which would tell the program where to click. The reason he did this is because he got Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from playing games like Diablo and FPS games. Granted, it was for another TCG, but I can see it potentially being easier to program for Hearthstone. Are you saying a program like that should not exist?
What about a program that would be the equivalent of "LetsPlayHearthstone", I imagine that eventually somebody will be able to program something like that too, where the viewers choose what card is played and where. Believe it or not, there is good that comes from third-party programs.
3rd party tools aren't all bad. Examples include hearthstats and fov changers for fps. Also I don't see the problem with bots. If they are as good as some claim to be then I welcome the challenge as long as they don't cheat.
To identify a bot, just watch for a mousover on cards. Bots will never mouse over on anything. They also take the exact same time for each action they take.
In the bot forum, the botters are discussing that streamers can identify there bots cause of there behavior and they are trying to implement new behavior.
I wonder what blizz is doing about this.
By the way, this also confirms that zoo requires zero IQ or skill to play so now the discusion can stop.
Lol, why does that suprise you? Blizzard is a completely unprofessional company.
but what is even worse is that those bots can acctualy win and get to legend rank. it just shows how little skill this game takes
I have faced bots around rank 7-5 myself, so the AI's are improving. I recognize the bots by constant delay from a move to another, no red light from hover, no target arrow and more.
Still trying to get legendary, after a years hovering in ranks 5-1.
Ranking of classes based on power and enjoyment playing it:
1. Mage - Tempo/Mech/Freeze
2. Druid - Standard Midrange Ramp
3. Hunter - Midrange/Face
4. Paladin - Midrange/Control
5. Warrior - Standard Control
6. Rogue - Sprint Oil
7. Priest - Control
8. Warlock - Handlock/Zoo
9. Shaman - Mech/Midrange
I've come here just to see if anyone can say to me the actual difference between a Bot and any Zoolock player.
I think the hover highlight and targeting arrow don't show up if your opponent is on an iPad. I could be wrong, though.
Well i know who used bot to get legendary and there are alot of players around rank 3-1 as 12 wins in arena.
Bots can be used legally too, it simply can say Play this: Golem -> Azure Drake , Hero Power-> face , that is legal 100% automation not, but hard to proof . Is a card game , math and statistics will apply and will win overtime if bots aren't top of the ladder is due to their bugs , but they average 6 wins in arena easily and got some legend ranks with Druid, Shaman etc.
Why the hell would anyone want to use a bot for this game?? seriously, it's not like you can make money from it. Now, online poker, I can see some reasoning behind it, but there's nothing to be gained from using a bot in HS. It's just dumb.
I'm still going to need proof.
I don't think there is anyway to bot a way to legendary.
Well, apart from the fact that you are making a completely unsubstantiated and likely erroneous claim, let's change this around a bit:
"What's even worse is that a computer can beat you at chess, which just goes to show how little skill chess takes!"
Now do you see how stupid your statement is, on at least two counts?
Bots have definitely reached legend, even when the owners of that bot could not. They are becoming really good, a friend of mine is big into the botting community, he did so with WoW and Diablo and is now doing so with Shaman. His Shaman bot hit legend for him while he was sleeping one night.
Guess I could get a screeny from him but I don't have direct proof. But I know for a fact bots can hit legend without much trouble.
Edit: sorry, I see you found it was indeed true.
I really don't mind playing against bot in ranked, as long as they are good enough and deserve the rank. However I think they should be banned from arena. Bots can play 24/7 and get very decent result in arena simple minion trading styles (I heard they even get 12 wins). They are making lots of gold at an unfair rate as compared to human players.
I'm making the point that just because a computer can beat you at a game, it doesn't mean that the game takes little skill.
I would have thought that was obvious, but I guess I shall have to lower my expectations.
Why do people keep thinking card optimal AI isn't possible to implement in this game? Blizzard could easily do it, but they intentionally leave it flawed to be beatable and allow players to set the standards of difficulty beyond that. Heroic would be impossible to beat if they didn't intentionally give it bad habits. A bot can be made to surpass any human player since it can make tons of calculations of possible scenarios at once and then set to observe decks it faces to build a weighting of the potential decklist to determine possible draws.
Also people put WAY too much weight into the luck of this game (and then for some reason say it has more RNG than Magic...which I call insane amounts of BS on). This game has tons of valid play options every turn that are near optimal, it is often hard to discern which is the best route. I'd say Zoo is probably the only deck where I can't help but not respect the player and say it's more about luck than skill...but even then this game is very deep despite people pointing out random effect cards.
If you win more than 50% of the time, after enough games you WILL hit legend. That's what these bots are designed around. Playing lots and lots of fast games and just grinding slowly but surely to legend.
Yep, that's why the bot works. Not because it is particularly adept at play, but because it can play a ton of games nonstop.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
I'm sorry, I would need extraordinary evidence to believe a claim as extraordinary as "bots can maintain a good enough win rate to climb the ladder to legendary".
Bots grinding away at rank 20, getting their 100 gold a day and eventually golden heroes, despite their shitty win rate? That I can believe.
Bots botting to legend? You'll have to do a lot better than "a friend of mine got legend one night on his shaman bot" to convince me.
I've seen lots of streamers play with useful third-party tools, not everybody is using third-party tools to cheat. An example would be when I saw somebody streaming using voice commands. He would make noises with his mouth which would tell the program where to click. The reason he did this is because he got Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from playing games like Diablo and FPS games. Granted, it was for another TCG, but I can see it potentially being easier to program for Hearthstone. Are you saying a program like that should not exist?
What about a program that would be the equivalent of "LetsPlayHearthstone", I imagine that eventually somebody will be able to program something like that too, where the viewers choose what card is played and where. Believe it or not, there is good that comes from third-party programs.
3rd party tools aren't all bad. Examples include hearthstats and fov changers for fps. Also I don't see the problem with bots. If they are as good as some claim to be then I welcome the challenge as long as they don't cheat.
Savjz just lost 3 games vs bots lol.
Massanc played vs bots 2-3 times.
Veev also 2-3 times.
Most of the decks the bots are using are zoo.
To identify a bot, just watch for a mousover on cards. Bots will never mouse over on anything. They also take the exact same time for each action they take.
In the bot forum, the botters are discussing that streamers can identify there bots cause of there behavior and they are trying to implement new behavior.
I wonder what blizz is doing about this.
By the way, this also confirms that zoo requires zero IQ or skill to play so now the discusion can stop.
you can just report to blizzard via email.....
Except the same bots average 6 wins per arena and can get to 12? I guess that takes zero IQ too.