Basically ALL aggro and some midrange is dead and all decks who had bad matchups with those skyrocket now , unless they bring new aggressive cards , the meta will become very control oriented and boring.
Mtg rotations replace the old cards with new good ones but hearthstone doesnt do the same , essentially they kill all fast decks.
The good thing is that we no longer have to deal with really annoying openings like shield bots , mad scientists , creepers , eggs etc.....but the
persistency these cards bring to a fast or midrange deck cannot be replaced and is the only thing that makes these decks playable.
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1.zoolock.. dies hahaha.. no.. the core mechanic of zoolock is being able to spam low cost value minions to trade with bigger guys.. zoo was here from vanilla so it can function just because of the warlock hero power and low cost value minions give it life.. don't think zoo will ever not be viable but it will change drastically without sticky 2 drops it runs now..
2.Secretdin will still be a deck probably.. without avenge and the explosive early game it will be harder.. well depends on which early game cards paladin gets.. but it might be a thing..
3. Why? people didn't play hunter in vanilla? hunter missed haunted creeper and mad scientist.. apart from that.. not much.. face hunter can do without those.. midrange will pick up king's elekk and less secrets..
4. lost 4 cards.. can still be played.
5. why unstable portal and flame cannon? unstable portal isn't the best thing of the deck neither is flame cannon.. tempo mage will still exist.
6. well yeah.. GVG was great part of those..
7. who knows which direction blizzard is taking druid.. maybe some cards will be good as aggro.. druid as a whole is getting changed.. (nerfed)
With the actual pool of cards (and assuming that druid will be nerfed to death) I would probably bet my money on Valeera... Miracle seems pretty untouched. Maybe even some sort of more mid-rangey Dragon Priest could work in a vacuum...
But it's really too early to say, the new expansion will be probably pretty huge.
1.zoolock.. dies hahaha.. no.. the core mechanic of zoolock is being able to spam low cost value minions to trade with bigger guys.. zoo was here from vanilla so it can function just because of the warlock hero power and low cost value minions give it life.. don't think zoo will ever not be viable but it will change drastically without sticky 2 drops it runs now..
2.Secretdin will still be a deck probably.. without avenge and the explosive early game it will be harder.. well depends on which early game cards paladin gets.. but it might be a thing..
3. Why? people didn't play hunter in vanilla? hunter missed haunted creeper and mad scientist.. apart from that.. not much.. face hunter can do without those.. midrange will pick up king's elekk and less secrets..
4. lost 4 cards.. can still be played.
5. why unstable portal and flame cannon? unstable portal isn't the best thing of the deck neither is flame cannon.. tempo mage will still exist.
6. well yeah.. GVG was great part of those..
7. who knows which direction blizzard is taking druid.. maybe some cards will be good as aggro.. druid as a whole is getting changed.. (nerfed)
No chow, healbot, belcher. How is aggro dead? Face shaman and hunter will be just fine.
zoolock is dead and life tap will not save it , if your minions produce nothing when they are killed then any control deck will roflstomp you there is a reason that decks like murlocks are not viable , life tap is good but not good enough to save you , you will have play 1 minion per turn to save yourself from aoe removals but if you do that then you wont be able to generate enough pressure to kill the control guy until its too late for you.
secredin without avenge ( the only worthy secret and very strong) and shieldbot AND muster of battle AND coghammer? GG PALADIN the class itself will become really weak because that early curve is the only thing that makes this class strong.
Face hunter can barely survive in this meta (it may HUGE MAY remain a coinflip deck) , midrange with no shredder, dr doom , early field control creatures? no that archetype is dead.
tempo mage lose MAD SCIENTIST thats really a big hit to the deck because now your opening will be shit
Druid will actually be strong , it didnt lose much except fel reaver , midrange will still dominate but fel reaver was a very important part of
aggro druid , i dont even think its replaceable.
Doomhammer will be a big hit for shaman unless , i dont remeber was it classic or gvg? if it was classic then shaman will be strong and
perhaps the only viable aggro.
Dragon priest will be the only viable midrange deck along with druid
Anything else will have to take the control route.
belcher and chows didnt do really much to counter aggro but healbot yes , this will be a big hit for control decks but its not like they cant find replacements and you will never be able to gain any tempo without persistency cards , no tempo no damage.
the new top decks will involve
warriors
druids
priests
warlocks
freeze will either stop being viable or will be very low tier
oil rogue will be pretty much the same
I think warlocks will have the best decks and dominate
Non viable classes will include mages , paladin and hunters
Despite all this shit , im happy that secrets are no longer playable because i hated them when i drew them in my opening hand.
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1.zoolock.. dies hahaha.. no.. the core mechanic of zoolock is being able to spam low cost value minions to trade with bigger guys.. zoo was here from vanilla so it can function just because of the warlock hero power and low cost value minions give it life.. don't think zoo will ever not be viable but it will change drastically without sticky 2 drops it runs now..
Thing is that zoolock became strong thanks to the sticky drops. I existed but wasn't high tier before then. It was just a deck to grind ranks on but little more. Naxx gave it its power.
So it'll survive, but it risks going back to those days.
2.Secretdin will still be a deck probably.. without avenge and the explosive early game it will be harder.. well depends on which early game cards paladin gets.. but it might be a thing.
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3. Why? people didn't play hunter in vanilla? hunter missed haunted creeper and mad scientist.. apart from that.. not much.. face hunter can do without those.. midrange will pick up king's elekk and less secrets..
Face hunter survived on buzzard/UTH back in the day. By those time those were nerfed, they had UT. When UT was nerfed, they relied on face with creeper and scientist. They aren't around at all in tournaments as it is. OTOH, I've gone through too many "Hunter is dead yo!" situations to count out this class. Somehow they find a way.
4. lost 4 cards.. can still be played.
True. I can see aggrodin existing. Though in teh same spot it is now.
5. why unstable portal and flame cannon? unstable portal isn't the best thing of the deck neither is flame cannon.. tempo mage will still exist.
True. it's key cards are in TGT/Classic/BRM. They still have another year.
6. well yeah.. GVG was great part of those..
7. who knows which direction blizzard is taking druid.. maybe some cards will be good as aggro.. druid as a whole is getting changed.. (nerfed)
true, but the OP is right, Druid is losing aggro AND Combo. Aggro depended on Fel reaver while Combo is pretty much why blizzard is revamping Classic.
So who knows what's going to show up for them.
8. What shaman? is shaman even a class?
You're out of date actually. Aggro shaman is the new face hunter. Seriously. The deck, used properly, is a nightmare, especially against classes like paladin. Which is why he's getting a decent showing in tournaments now.
Thing is, all they are losing is crackle. Meanwhile, their opponents lose A LOT of the tools that kept them at bay. If the meta truly goes full aggro, it'll be on the back of shaman, not hunter.
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Who knows which cards we will get from the next expasion.. It's too early to decide some classes/decks will die.. Who knows maybe we get a minion which does a whirlwind effect every time it attacks or something and patron will still be a thing..
Zoo still has imp gang boss flame imp, and argent squire(edit: meant this card not.. the paladin one) It will probably just go full aggro with wrath guard and stuff..
2x Voidwalker, Flame Imp, Dark Peddler, Imp Gang Boss , PO , Doomguards , Argus x 2, Abusive sergeants, Dark iron dwarfs etc. All core cards are here.
We just remove Boom, Loathed, 2 x Egg and 2 x Spiders and replace them with the old cards like: 2 x Harvest Golem, 2 x Dire Wolf and etc.
Meh why I even bother answering you. Meta will be again Reno decks, tempo decks and re-adjusted aggro figthed by wallet control decks
Let me fix you
*we just remove everything and replace them with garbage* and ofc you forgot to mention voidcaller ALSO knife juggler will be shit too now with no implosion and creeper , buff minions will be far worse without early sticky minions.
Dont make the mistake to think that zoo will go back and be the same as it was in the beta because those were different days , we only had classic back then , the deck will essentially be at the same level as it was in the beta BUT every other deck got stronger since then.
Lets see some matchups of zoo now and after the changes
Current zoo can beat:
Warriors
priests
rogues
Mages
Druids
After the changes , it will barely beat druid but nothing else.
Ofc all this speculation is probably pointless because if they release a new set at the same time with the release of the standar format then i think they will close the gaps with new cards.
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Imp Gang Boss will be taken away. But I agree - Zoo is a type of deck where you can fit many similar cards in. We'll not be losing zoo. The insane voidcallers will be taken away from us though.
Zoo will be fine. They'll lose creeper but there are enough decent 2 drops that the deck will still work. Worst case they start playing Flame Juggler and Wrathguard in the 2 spot. They can still flood the board and Brann will keep them good if there are any decent low cost battlecry minions introduced.
You're out of date actually. Aggro shaman is the new face hunter. Seriously. The deck, used properly, is a nightmare, especially against classes like paladin. Which is why he's getting a decent showing in tournaments now.
Thing is, all they are losing is crackle. Meanwhile, their opponents lose A LOT of the tools that kept them at bay. If the meta truly goes full aggro, it'll be on the back of shaman, not hunter.
Ok lets start
RIP list
1. zoolock
2. Secredin
3. Hunter no longer viable class
4. Aggrodin
5. tempo mage
6. mech decks
7. Aggro druid
8. elemental shaman
Basically ALL aggro and some midrange is dead and all decks who had bad matchups with those skyrocket now , unless they bring new aggressive cards , the meta will become very control oriented and boring.
Mtg rotations replace the old cards with new good ones but hearthstone doesnt do the same , essentially they kill all fast decks.
The good thing is that we no longer have to deal with really annoying openings like shield bots , mad scientists , creepers , eggs etc.....but the
persistency these cards bring to a fast or midrange deck cannot be replaced and is the only thing that makes these decks playable.
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I don't know why you say Aggro will be dead when the best anti-aggro cards are going, too.
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1.zoolock.. dies hahaha.. no.. the core mechanic of zoolock is being able to spam low cost value minions to trade with bigger guys.. zoo was here from vanilla so it can function just because of the warlock hero power and low cost value minions give it life.. don't think zoo will ever not be viable but it will change drastically without sticky 2 drops it runs now..
2.Secretdin will still be a deck probably.. without avenge and the explosive early game it will be harder.. well depends on which early game cards paladin gets.. but it might be a thing..
3. Why? people didn't play hunter in vanilla? hunter missed haunted creeper and mad scientist.. apart from that.. not much.. face hunter can do without those.. midrange will pick up king's elekk and less secrets..
4. lost 4 cards.. can still be played.
5. why unstable portal and flame cannon? unstable portal isn't the best thing of the deck neither is flame cannon.. tempo mage will still exist.
6. well yeah.. GVG was great part of those..
7. who knows which direction blizzard is taking druid.. maybe some cards will be good as aggro.. druid as a whole is getting changed.. (nerfed)
8. What shaman? is shaman even a class?
With the actual pool of cards (and assuming that druid will be nerfed to death) I would probably bet my money on Valeera... Miracle seems pretty untouched. Maybe even some sort of more mid-rangey Dragon Priest could work in a vacuum...
But it's really too early to say, the new expansion will be probably pretty huge.
No chow, healbot, belcher. How is aggro dead? Face shaman and hunter will be just fine.
My guess is that we'll get cards to replace what we lose and people will be whining for nothing.
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Guesses huh? Here's some relatively safe ones...
Freeze mage and combo druid will somehow get nerfed to the ground.
If Big Game Hunter gets nerfed then some of the giants will get nerfed too.
Secret paladin will drop to mid or upper tier2 and become more aggro-y.
Dragon priest will be slightly more viable.
Malygos miracle rogue will replace oil rogue as the top rogue deck and will be upper tier2 or lower tier1.
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Thing is that zoolock became strong thanks to the sticky drops. I existed but wasn't high tier before then. It was just a deck to grind ranks on but little more. Naxx gave it its power.
So it'll survive, but it risks going back to those days.
Face hunter survived on buzzard/UTH back in the day. By those time those were nerfed, they had UT. When UT was nerfed, they relied on face with creeper and scientist. They aren't around at all in tournaments as it is. OTOH, I've gone through too many "Hunter is dead yo!" situations to count out this class. Somehow they find a way.
True. I can see aggrodin existing. Though in teh same spot it is now.
True. it's key cards are in TGT/Classic/BRM. They still have another year.
true, but the OP is right, Druid is losing aggro AND Combo. Aggro depended on Fel reaver while Combo is pretty much why blizzard is revamping Classic.
So who knows what's going to show up for them.
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@iandankar , you mean innervate + fel reaver combo right? unless im missing something force+savage will not change? or am i wrong?
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More rank 20 farmers now that there are 2 ladders.
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Yes it is correct. I just think that midrange shaman will be strong
Who knows which cards we will get from the next expasion.. It's too early to decide some classes/decks will die.. Who knows maybe we get a minion which does a whirlwind effect every time it attacks or something and patron will still be a thing..
Zoo still has imp gang boss flame imp, and argent squire(edit: meant this card not.. the paladin one) It will probably just go full aggro with wrath guard and stuff..
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Imp Gang Boss will be taken away. But I agree - Zoo is a type of deck where you can fit many similar cards in. We'll not be losing zoo. The insane voidcallers will be taken away from us though.
Zoo will be fine. They'll lose creeper but there are enough decent 2 drops that the deck will still work. Worst case they start playing Flame Juggler and Wrathguard in the 2 spot. They can still flood the board and Brann will keep them good if there are any decent low cost battlecry minions introduced.
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