One month after the expansion release, we finally found a deck that can beat rogue, the strongest secret deck, and it's not paladin, but secret hunter.
Let's improve it because it's time for rogue to suffer. Chief inspector will not be enough for them to stop us.
Zilliax and marked shot are performing poorly. They need to be cut. We want to be as aggressive as possible. Leeroy instead of zilliax. The deck is weak to res priest, mech paladin and mech hunter. 2 spellbreakers instead of marked shot to silence the magnetized mechs and bypass the taunts. It can also deal with an early edwin. Perfect to establish our domination on tempo rogue. I also cut baited arrow for an additional unleash the hounds to imrpove the match up vs token druid and improve kill command consistency, we need more beast. It can also give juicy lethal vs druid. Cut deadly shot for an additional unleash the beast.
Its performing better now and as a rogue player, i also love to teach them a lesson.
Add vargoth and combo him with deadly shot and animal companion. He also is the beat soft taunt for 4mana
Vargoth or shaw could be great cards to add, the 4 mana slot is nearly empty (only 2 lifedrinkers). But i think he's too slow for an aggressive deck like that and there are not enough spells that we can play twice.
I also put 2 snipes and only 1 freezing trap, because rogue hates snipe (hello leeroy/thug/corsair/fox/greenskin everything except mecreant haha)
The problem is that there is a lot of bomb hunters (tier 1) on the ladder atm, and other matchups can also cause problems, so I don't think secret hunter gives you a highway to legend. At higher levels, the tempo rogue matchup is 50/50 (=it is not favoured when your opponents know what they are doing.)
Props for the initiative, though, a stale meta is a bad meta, even if the new deck is from a strong class.
The card does provide additional reach and I can't even tell you how many times it allowed me to finish off my opponent
I'll give it a try. It's true that with baited arrow + kill command + weapon + lifedrinker + leeroy, we have as much reach as rogue. The deck is really insane, i struggle a lot to beat rogue with midrange hunter or oblivitron hunter, but with this secret deck, it's so easy. Spellbreaker is a good card. After few games, she was useful in every matchup and never felt like a burden in the hand. (mage taunt/drake, hunter mechs, paladin mechs, rogue edwin/zilliax, warlock carpet, zoo soul of the forest/vargoth, shaman deathrattle). For the 4 mana spot, she was more useful than marked shot.
The problem is that there is a lot of bomb hunters (tier 1) on the ladder atm, and other matchups can also cause problems, so I don't think secret hunter gives you a highway to legend. At higher levels, the tempo rogue matchup is 50/50 (=it is not favoured when your opponents know what they are doing.)
Props for the initiative, though, a stale meta is a bad meta, even if the new deck is from a strong class.
Bomb hunter matchup is not that bad now with the 2 spellbreakers. The hardest matchup for sure. We don't have any healing nor taunt so they rush our face and they don't care about explosive trap. With explosive trap + snake trap + 2 unleash the hounds, token druid matchup is quite easy. Not putting 2 unleash the hounds is clearly an error. It's also a excellent card vs bomb hunter. We have all the tools to fight them. Rogue is clearly favored for secret hunter, i played it between rank 1-5 and i have a positive winrate (60%) against them. The deck is surprisingly doing fine against warriors. As an aggressive deck, it does a better job than rogue thanks to zuljin, it has a better lategame. We don't have healing except lifedrinkers and we hit a lot of minions with our weapon. I don't understand why zilliax's winrate is that low. He's the worst card by a wide margin in the deck.
"The tempo rogue nemesis" ... Has 52% winrate against it lol. That doesn't seem bad for the rogue at all, it's almost literally a 50/50 chance which means it depends on draws and actual skill to get wins. stop spreading fake news, not saying the deck itself is bad but promoting it as a tempo rogue killer while in reality it's a 50/50 game is a dick move, someone could actually craft this thinking it obliterates rogues and get rekt when they realize they actually need to play good games and hope they don't get lucked out.
"The tempo rogue nemesis" ... Has 52% winrate against it lol. That doesn't seem bad for the rogue at all, it's almost literally a 50/50 chance which means it depends on draws and actual skill to get wins. stop spreading fake news, not saying the deck itself is bad but promoting it as a tempo rogue killer while in reality it's a 50/50 game is a dick move, someone could actually craft this thinking it obliterates rogues and get rekt when they realize they actually need to play good games and hope they don't get lucked out.
We have a clever boi here. https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/169/tempo-rogue#tab=matchups As a studious player i look at the stats of tempo rogue matchup, aw well everything is green, we have our tempo rogue tier S deck, incredible there are only 2 red spots, one for the whole warrior class and oh surprise, we also have secret hunter. So if secret hunter doesnt counter rogue while being the only one with warrior to have a positive winrate and the decklist isnt even refined, what deck does? Furthermore, nowhere im saying to craft the deck because it's the best stuff and you'll reach legend in 1h from rank 25. Im showing stats and according to the stats the deck does well against the field. We are here to try to improve the deck.
What a bait title. I have expected like 60-65% winrate against Tempo rogue not a 52% looooooooooool
For sure its a bait title, but lets have hope and work to refine the list in order to really have in the future a 60% winrate against tempo rogue. Don't you think that 52% is already a great start since there is not even a deck in the 7 other classes which has a positive winrate against rogue.
What a bait title. I have expected like 60-65% winrate against Tempo rogue not a 52% looooooooooool
For sure its a bait title, but lets have hope and work to refine the list in order to really have in the future a 60% winrate against tempo rogue. Don't you think that 52% is already a great start since there is not even a deck in the 7 other classes which has a positive winrate against rogue.
What a bait title. I have expected like 60-65% winrate against Tempo rogue not a 52% looooooooooool
For sure its a bait title, but lets have hope and work to refine the list in order to really have in the future a 60% winrate against tempo rogue. Don't you think that 52% is already a great start since there is not even a deck in the 7 other classes which has a positive winrate against rogue.
What a bait title. I have expected like 60-65% winrate against Tempo rogue not a 52% looooooooooool
For sure its a bait title, but lets have hope and work to refine the list in order to really have in the future a 60% winrate against tempo rogue. Don't you think that 52% is already a great start since there is not even a deck in the 7 other classes which has a positive winrate against rogue.
What a bait title. I have expected like 60-65% winrate against Tempo rogue not a 52% looooooooooool
For sure its a bait title, but lets have hope and work to refine the list in order to really have in the future a 60% winrate against tempo rogue. Don't you think that 52% is already a great start since there is not even a deck in the 7 other classes which has a positive winrate against rogue.
decent replace for subject 9 while getting the dust?
You can't replace subject 9, he's core to the deck. Allows you to draw up to 5 cards and pulling out secrets of your deck to avoid dead topdeck in the late game.
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One month after the expansion release, we finally found a deck that can beat rogue, the strongest secret deck, and it's not paladin, but secret hunter.
Few people are playing it right now, but the stats are looking very promising.
https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/138/chasseur-secrets#tab=matchups
it beats rogue, mage, warrior, warlock, shaman so every tier 1/tier 2 decks except token druid.
Here's the best performing deck : https://hsreplay.net/decks/VeuhhjsFCMVPNyBRpe7txf/
Let's improve it because it's time for rogue to suffer. Chief inspector will not be enough for them to stop us.
Zilliax and marked shot are performing poorly. They need to be cut.
We want to be as aggressive as possible.
Leeroy instead of zilliax.
The deck is weak to res priest, mech paladin and mech hunter. 2 spellbreakers instead of marked shot to silence the magnetized mechs and bypass the taunts. It can also deal with an early edwin. Perfect to establish our domination on tempo rogue.
I also cut baited arrow for an additional unleash the hounds to imrpove the match up vs token druid and improve kill command consistency, we need more beast. It can also give juicy lethal vs druid.
Cut deadly shot for an additional unleash the beast.
Its performing better now and as a rogue player, i also love to teach them a lesson.
Any ideas to make the deck better?
Add vargoth and combo him with deadly shot and animal companion. He also is the beat soft taunt for 4mana
Vargoth or shaw could be great cards to add, the 4 mana slot is nearly empty (only 2 lifedrinkers).
But i think he's too slow for an aggressive deck like that and there are not enough spells that we can play twice.
I also put 2 snipes and only 1 freezing trap, because rogue hates snipe (hello leeroy/thug/corsair/fox/greenskin everything except mecreant haha)
The problem is that there is a lot of bomb hunters (tier 1) on the ladder atm, and other matchups can also cause problems, so I don't think secret hunter gives you a highway to legend. At higher levels, the tempo rogue matchup is 50/50 (=it is not favoured when your opponents know what they are doing.)
Props for the initiative, though, a stale meta is a bad meta, even if the new deck is from a strong class.
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I recommend against taking out Baited Arrow.
The card does provide additional reach and I can't even tell you how many times it allowed me to finish off my opponent
I tried having fun once. It was awful.
I'll give it a try. It's true that with baited arrow + kill command + weapon + lifedrinker + leeroy, we have as much reach as rogue.
The deck is really insane, i struggle a lot to beat rogue with midrange hunter or oblivitron hunter, but with this secret deck, it's so easy.
Spellbreaker is a good card. After few games, she was useful in every matchup and never felt like a burden in the hand. (mage taunt/drake, hunter mechs, paladin mechs, rogue edwin/zilliax, warlock carpet, zoo soul of the forest/vargoth, shaman deathrattle).
For the 4 mana spot, she was more useful than marked shot.
Bomb hunter matchup is not that bad now with the 2 spellbreakers. The hardest matchup for sure. We don't have any healing nor taunt so they rush our face and they don't care about explosive trap.
With explosive trap + snake trap + 2 unleash the hounds, token druid matchup is quite easy. Not putting 2 unleash the hounds is clearly an error. It's also a excellent card vs bomb hunter. We have all the tools to fight them.
Rogue is clearly favored for secret hunter, i played it between rank 1-5 and i have a positive winrate (60%) against them.
The deck is surprisingly doing fine against warriors. As an aggressive deck, it does a better job than rogue thanks to zuljin, it has a better lategame.
We don't have healing except lifedrinkers and we hit a lot of minions with our weapon. I don't understand why zilliax's winrate is that low. He's the worst card by a wide margin in the deck.
Here's my decklist :
decent replace for subject 9 while getting the dust?
"The tempo rogue nemesis" ... Has 52% winrate against it lol. That doesn't seem bad for the rogue at all, it's almost literally a 50/50 chance which means it depends on draws and actual skill to get wins. stop spreading fake news, not saying the deck itself is bad but promoting it as a tempo rogue killer while in reality it's a 50/50 game is a dick move, someone could actually craft this thinking it obliterates rogues and get rekt when they realize they actually need to play good games and hope they don't get lucked out.
We have a clever boi here.
https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/169/tempo-rogue#tab=matchups
As a studious player i look at the stats of tempo rogue matchup, aw well everything is green, we have our tempo rogue tier S deck, incredible there are only 2 red spots, one for the whole warrior class and oh surprise, we also have secret hunter.
So if secret hunter doesnt counter rogue while being the only one with warrior to have a positive winrate and the decklist isnt even refined, what deck does?
Furthermore, nowhere im saying to craft the deck because it's the best stuff and you'll reach legend in 1h from rank 25. Im showing stats and according to the stats the deck does well against the field.
We are here to try to improve the deck.
What a bait title. I have expected like 60-65% winrate against Tempo rogue not a 52% looooooooooool
For sure its a bait title, but lets have hope and work to refine the list in order to really have in the future a 60% winrate against tempo rogue.
Don't you think that 52% is already a great start since there is not even a deck in the 7 other classes which has a positive winrate against rogue.
Ever heard of Warrior?
Can you read?
You can't replace subject 9, he's core to the deck. Allows you to draw up to 5 cards and pulling out secrets of your deck to avoid dead topdeck in the late game.