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Hello everybody! This topic is for discussion of Week #23 of our Weekly Card Design Competition. One of the awesome things about this competition is that it gets us all talking about what makes a card balanced, fun, realistic, interesting, unique, innovative, exciting, and more. However, to make sure that everything runs smoothly, we need to reserve the Submission Topic for submissions only. Everything else goes here. What is everything else, you might ask?

 Rules or Process. Do you have a question about the competition's process? Do you need clarification about one of this week's entry requirements? Are you not sure whether your entry adhered to the rules? Ask here!

 Feedback or Ideas. Do you have some ideas you'd like to run by others before settling on one? Do you need help balancing or wording your card? Do you need help finding art that will fit your card? Or do you just want feedback from the community on your entry? You're in the right place! Remember, although you are allowed to make minor tweaks to your entry after you've submitted it, you're only allowed one submission per week, so make sure that you've settled on your card for sure beforehand.

 Discussion! Do you have thoughts on other people's cards? Are there directions you don't like that you're seeing too many people take? Or directions you'd like to see more people take? Would you like to help others and contribute to a greater community understanding of Hearthstone card design and balance? This is where you want to be!

 Poll. As you may have noticed, we have a poll in this thread. We have gotten complaints about so called "troll entries" which some people think ruins the fun. So, it's time to settle this: should we, the mods, be able to disqualify troll entries? If the no-side beats the yes-side I, DialM4Murloc, expect everyone to stop complaining and just enjoy the competition :)

 WARNING:

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 Advertising Your Card. This is a new rule during Season 2. Please don't pop in here just to advertise your card only to never be heard from again. This includes only asking short, generic, or insincere questions like "Thoughts?" or "Do you think this is balanced?". Yes, getting feedback on your card is one of the purposes of this topic, but we're not just here for other people to help you. We're here for you all to help each other.
12 hours after this competition begins, there should be plenty of other posts here for you to give specific feedback or for you to comment on a trend. If you post your card for feedback after this time and do not also offer some form of substantial commentary, critique, or praise of others' work, you may find your post deleted.

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 So, without further ado, have fun and get creating!

Some feedback on the following things would be nice :3

The poll

The new qualifying system

The new rule

This week's topic

Thanks in advance, people ^^

in the case of troll picks: Meh, I don't really care that much. I only recall face hunter making it to the finals, as every other troll post hasn't done that great (unless you count fantastic four from the old minions week.) also, some troll picks have been genuinely funny, so I do like seeing them.

Qualifying: I like it. it seems to reward cards that have heavy competition on later pages, which I approve. I'll have to see how it works in practice before I render judgement though.

Image hosting: Thank GOD! I feel that we should have been doing this from the start. good on you.

this week: Yes! I can use my favorite card I've created:

The 'splash' mechanic has always been my favorite mechanic in the game (Foe Reaper 4000 being my favorite card.) I've always wanted to incorporate that effect into a card myself, and this was the result. I especially like this card because of the plays it's mana cost facilitates. turn 3 Hobgoblin into this on turn 4 for a 3/7 with splash is damn strong, and this into turn 5 Demonheart Turns it basically into Foe Reaper 4000 with charge for 5 mana and a discard. also, dat art is my favorite piece.

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 No offence, but I think you should rethink using that card. It's just Foe Reaper but weaker basically. Maybe base something on that effect but do it differently?

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Seems its very hard for early entrys to qualify to the final, some entrys had over 50 votes and still didnt qualify. 

 We have an equation that gives point to each eligble entry which is supposed to make things fair, so the final isn't dominated by early posts. However, I think the equation has failed in some aspects, hence the new system for this week. Hopefully that will make things better.

You Orc Like?

fair enough. I'll save it for some future expansion competition or something then. hmmm...

How about this:

Will upload (rebalanced version) tomorrow.

This minion causes totems with effects to be more effective.

Flametongue now gives +4 to adjecent minion.

Healing totem now heals 2 at the end of the turn.

Vitality heals 8 to your hero.

Mana Tide draws 2 cards.

Wrath of air is Spelldamage +2.

Other totems are unaffected.

Thoughts?

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So here's my current idea. Thoughts?

(The current artwork and name are just placeholders.)

So he still takes damage from the targeted minion, but damages the ones next to it instead.

 It's just a mini Foe Reaper 4000

 I wouldn't quite agree. The thing with this one is that it doesn't damage the minion you target, but ONLY the ones next to it.

But maybe the wording is unclear, and it could probably use some work.

 Nah, I think the wording is clear. it is definitely worse than foe reaper, or such variants though. that lack of damage to the 'Target' is actually pretty big.

Question: If our submission is removed from the competition for not complying all the rules, are we allowed to resubmit an entirely different entry that does follow the rules? Or would this fall under the rule of  You may not significantly alter your card once it has been submitted. (Although minor tweaks, such as to adjust balance or correct spelling errors, are acceptable.)

Hey guys, I am relatively new to the competition but just wanna say I enjoy it very much. You guys are doing a great job! Just a couple comments and questions here.

1st - I voted yes on the poll, only because I don't think troll votes should be able to win or advance to the final poll. The troll cards can be funny and I think its only necessary to disqualify them because they tend to get a lot of votes. I just think the competition is more interesting and fun without them, but that is just me.

2nd - I like the look of the new rule which allows entries from each page to move on. I don't know much about this subject, but its at least a step in the right direction. The formula alone is confusing for someone who doesn't quite understand just how much votes on later pages were valued compared to earlier pages (like me). This way I have something easier to understand accompanying the formula. Now I won't be so alienated by the process.

3rd - I have a question about the topic this week, specifically regarding what would qualify. I know stuff relating to adjacency, and left most and right most would all work. But what about other things? My specific idea involves a minion that takes up more than one card space on the board (that would be the minion board interaction). Would stuff like that work?

What's the new rule?

Otherwise I'm fine with the current qualifier progress.

And the pool, well I won't say my vote since it's private but I don't mind.

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Poll
I voted yes, although it should clearly be a TROLL submissions, like Dr. Broom or Face Hunter. You can be meta, wity, funny AND be interesting and balanced about it. So I hope you will enforce it in the future. Maybe it's enough if you just exclude them from the finals (and ignore them for the page total).

Rule

I don't think you need to enforce image hoster uploads. If people don't do it, it's at their own loss. I doubt you guys have time to check each entry anyway. And what if they break the rule, will the entry be deleted? Seems kinda harsh and pointless. You should upload every finalists entry to an imagehoster of your choice anyway for the voting poll.

 

 I definitely don't want to disqualify fun, well-thought submissions. I remember one of my favourite submissions, Fantastic Four, which was a silly but balanced submission that really embraced the fun side of HS. If the yes-side becomes the winners, I will definitely make clear that fun submissions are OK, as long as they aren't absurd.

Well, that's for me. Uploading 10+ submissions and then editing them in is time consuming and utterly tedious. Also this will solve the problem with submissions that belong in the final but disappears which happened to one in #22's competition. It's just easier and more secure this way and I can focus my time and energy on more fun and important stuff, like giving feedback in the CCC.

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Hey guys, I am relatively new to the competition but just wanna say I enjoy it very much. You guys are doing a great job! Just a couple comments and questions here.

3rd - I have a question about the topic this week, specifically regarding what would qualify. I know stuff relating to adjacency, and left most and right most would all work. But what about other things? My specific idea involves a minion that takes up more than one card space on the board (that would be the minion board interaction). Would stuff like that work?

 Thanks! ^^ I hope more do, even though they are very quiet :P It's harder being a mod than people might think and i definitely regret that I sometimes whined and was quite harsh at times when I wasn't a mod. This experience has definitely taught me to think from other people's perspective (even though that's easier said than done haha).

Hmmmm...I would say no. It doesn't really depend or interact with the board. Just to be sure I'll forward it to the other mods to see what they think.

I'm really liking this week's theme so far! I've come up with some two cards I really like. Hard to decide which to choose though :P Some nice entries so far aswell. Keep it up, guys! ^^