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Alright well, here goes. The Spellbreaker Class and all the cards that hopefully meet this challenge.

And now the cards. In fact, a bit worried about this first one. I don't know if It fits as a basic card or not. The other two, the pokemon Card and the Legendary are last. I would love feedback on strength/balance aspects of all these cards.

 

 You have severely underpowered a number of your cards. 

Inate Sense - First, it should be "Innate". Now, compare this to Mind Vision. Mind Vision costs the same, and not only does it reveal a card, but your opponent doesn't know which one and you get a copy of it. Your card is crazy weak compared to this. For 1 mana, you should reveal your opponent's entire hand.

Rune of Defense  - This is very weak compared to existing cards that buff minions.Mark of the Wild costs the same. It gives 1 less health, but gives +2 attack and Taunt as well. Your card is terrible compared to this. Also, Divine Spirit straight up doubles Health for the same cost as your card. This should be like +5 Health. Or +4 at the very least.

Bloodwarder Shield - Assassin's Blade is underpowered at 5 mana 3/4. A 4/3 is arguably worse than a 3/4, and yet you have made this more expensive. Should be 5 mana, although it's worth 4.5, I think.

Healing Rune - Healing Touch restore 8 Health for 3 mana. For 6 mana, you should be restoring way more than 10. This card is only worth 4 mana, based on progression from Flash Heal to Holy Light to Healing Touch.

Rune of Shielding - For the same cost, you have Ancestral Healing, which also gives Taunt, but restores a minion to full health, and that card is never used cuz it's bad. For 1 mana, you can give a minion +2 Health and draw a card. This is really bad in comparison to both.

Ancient Guardian - You have severely undervalued how bad "Can't Attack" is. With Ancient Watcher, you can see that you get 4 mana worth of stats for just 2 mana. Your card gives 7.5 mana worth of stats for 7 mana. That's really, really bad. This should cost 5 mana, since it's a class card and so should get a better discount than Ancient Watcher.

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Alright well, here goes. The Spellbreaker Class and all the cards that hopefully meet this challenge.

And now the cards. In fact, a bit worried about this first one. I don't know if It fits as a basic card or not. The other two, the pokemon Card and the Legendary are last. I would love feedback on strength/balance aspects of all these cards.

 

 You have severely underpowered a number of your cards. 

Inate Sense - First, it should be "Innate". Now, compare this to Mind Vision. Mind Vision costs the same, and not only does it reveal a card, but your opponent doesn't know which one and you get a copy of it. Your card is crazy weak compared to this. For 1 mana, you should reveal your opponent's entire hand.

Rune of Defense  - This is very weak compared to existing cards that buff minions.Mark of the Wild costs the same. It gives 1 less health, but gives +2 attack and Taunt as well. Your card is terrible compared to this. Also, Divine Spirit straight up doubles Health for the same cost as your card. This should be like +5 Health. Or +4 at the very least.

Bloodwarder Shield - Assassin's Blade is underpowered at 5 mana 3/4. A 4/3 is arguably worse than a 3/4, and yet you have made this more expensive. Should be 5 mana, although it's worth 4.5, I think.

Healing Rune - Healing Touch restore 8 Health for 3 mana. For 6 mana, you should be restoring way more than 10. This card is only worth 4 mana, based on progression from Flash Heal to Holy Light to Healing Touch.

Rune of Shielding - For the same cost, you have Ancestral Healing, which also gives Taunt, but restores a minion to full health, and that card is never used cuz it's bad. For 1 mana, you can give a minion +2 Health and draw a card. This is really bad in comparison to both.

Ancient Guardian - You have severely undervalued how bad "Can't Attack" is. With Ancient Watcher, you can see that you get 4 mana worth of stats for just 2 mana. Your card gives 7.5 mana worth of stats for 7 mana. That's really, really bad. This should cost 5 mana, since it's a class card and so should get a better discount than Ancient Watcher.

 I guess I was a bit apprehensive, honestly. Almost all the feedback I got last time was cards/hero too strong and I don't really think I thought-everything-through as well. Sometimes I tunnel-vision and it leads to half-baked ideas. Got to admit, I was drawing a bit of a blank and I powered through it. Thanks for your feedback! I Will definitely keep it in mind. I think I let comments from last time sort of discourage me to be honest and I swung in the opposite direction on a few of these. And yeah, Innate is definitely misspelled there.  Rune of Shielding is definitely getting trashed or remade into something more worthwhile. Probably should spend more time thinking on these than a few hours. I'm serious about this competition but my attention span varies wildly. It seems when I create things I tend to not think things through as logically. Kind of funny because a cursory look back a few minutes ago had me scratching my head thinking a few of the things you were. I guess that's what I get for being an 'on the seat of my pants' kind of creator.

In general, I think you should try to err on the side of making things too powerful, since people respond more positively to things that are more powerful. Making something too weak will hurt you more, and you can always nerf things based on the response here. That's what discussion threads are for.

I think something you should try to make in the basic set is something that is, like, anti-spell. I feel like you're missing a little of that Spellbreaker flavor here. It may be difficult because you can't use Silence or Counter in Basic, but you should try to come up with something. Maybe something that has or gives "Can't be targeted by spells or hero powers"?

First draft. Still incomplete :

Pokemon :

@Turkeybag

@OBoily

Could I get some feedback on the cards I made for the second and third challenge?

(The Tinker Phase I Submission for Context)

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Introducing the Tinker!

“If things go exactly according to plan, then ya aren't dreaming big enough.” – Kandy Turnwrench

The Tinker knows more than anybody that to make it in this world, you’ll need some ingenuity, and to know how to work with whatever monkey-wrenches get thrown your way. This class very much enjoys getting value, something which its Hero Power especially hopes to accomplish. Much of this value is achieved through the class’s token synergy, through which the value of future cards can be increased. The class’s spells mostly interact with friendly minions (the class will only have a few direct damage spells, and indirect removal), applying effects to them which may not trigger immediately. The ride to victory might be bumpy, but that’s exactly what Kandy is counting on. (Yahoo!)

What’s in a Name?

So, who exactly is Kandy Turnwrench? Back in the day, this gnome worked in Gnomeregan as an engineer for Mekgineer Thermaplugg, but turned on him when she overheard of his plans to manipulate High Tinker Gelbin Mekkatorque into releasing a radiation bomb. However, Thermaplugg found out about her attempts to warn Mekkatorque, and forced her to flee Gnomeregan. After the irradiation of Gnomeregan, Kandy would soon meet Mekkatorque again, and would be trained by him before helping Mekkatorque to build new machines for the Alliance. It is still unknown whether Kandy or Gelbin is the “crazy” one in their engineering pair. (It's our little secret, hehe.)

A Gal Needs Her Toys!

Hero Power: The Tinker’s Hero Power is quite interesting in that the token it summons has the “On your turn” mechanic, as that mechanic will be recurrent in this class (though the example cards shown in this phase won’t have it). The Faulty Mech’s effect highly encourages your opponent to remove it on their turn in the early game, lest you get to kill their 3/2 without spending a card; so in a way, even when the minion has no Attack on your opponent’s turn, it can have a sort of pseudo-taunt.

Class Keyword: Deconstruct is similar to Battlecry, except you have to have a one-drop on the board to trigger it. Of course, the keyword has very good synergy with your Hero Power, and can be utilized to trade a token to get more mileage out of your cards (similar to how Combo uses a card to get the effect). Furthering this mechanic is the fact that the class will have several cards that summon 1-Cost tokens. However, something else to consider is that if you've got any important 1-Cost minions in play, you take a risk by using Deconstruct. (Hey, that's the cost of real engineering.)

Behold, Her Mighty Inventions!

Explanations:

Scrapyard Scavenger: An example of how the Deconstruct mechanic could be used, you could use this to curve out from turn 1 to turn 2 if you’ve played a disposable 1-drop, or you could use it with your Hero Power turn 4. While most often Deconstruct will be used to gain value, some cards in the class will use Deconstruct for a tempo gain (for instance, this card could easily be made into a tempo card if it dealt damage instead).

Rig Explosives: This card reflects another major theme in the Tinker class: applying effects to minions. However, unlike Paladin’s direct stat buffs such as Blessing of Kings, this class’s buffs (and spells in general) will often be used to indirectly set up other effects, such as AoE (in this case, it is done. In this card, you can use it on a small minion to immediately trigger the AoE (your Hero Power makes it fairly easy to keep a minion on the board), or place it on a higher Health minion to discourage your opponent from flooding the board.

Circuit Breaker: Yup, this is a Weapon class. Anyway, this card showcases another mechanic that the class uses to save up value for the future: the “The next spell/minion you play also does X” mechanic.  This class mechanic allows it to essentially stack up effects on the next spell or minion you play until you play a minion or spell from your hand, allowing specific effects you don’t necessarily want to be used now to be held as a sort of threat against your opponent. In this case, Circuit Breaker, while of course functioning as weapon removal, can also let you clean up low-Health minions later by casting a spell.

(How the “Next spell/minion you play also does X” Mechanic Might Look In-Game:)

(Excuse the lackluster editing)

In this example, let’s say you played the Circuit Breaker weapon. After the Battlecry goes off, all of your spells in your hand would have a “sparks flying” type animation to signify that all cards of that type (either spell or minion) will give off the effect described in the Battlecry in addition to the card's normal text (the additional effect itself is shown in the tooltip shown above when you mouse over the card). Once the card is played and the additional effect is used, the animation disappears on the other cards.

Thanks for reading! (Happy tinkering!)

 

With Dennis, I'm not sure if having the weapon as a 2/1 instead would be too weak, or whether I should change Dennis's instead of the weapon's stats.

For some context on the "Menagerie Zap-o-tron", my basic set will have a few cards to give the Tinker access to weapon tokens. (Also, thanks to SoulshifterX for the suggestion to use Magnezone!)

Could I get some balance feedback or something on this card I randomly came up with?

Since basic cards are, y'know, basic... the best part of our submission will be the Pokemon and the cheap Legendary. That being said, I think this reflects my class's survivability and control-y playstyle pretty well, in that when inspired, it will probably survive the trade even with its aggressive stats. The idea is that it trades almost every time because the targeted minion will always survive (even if it has less than 3 health, the swap will make it a 0-attack creature). Being an Inspire effect, the resulting 0-attack creature can eat another effect, resulting in a wasted inspire. 

Also, no. Gyarados still doesn't get to be a Dragon. 

@MrPasserby

Both of your cards are really cool, but Dennis the Mad Gnome has the same problem that you mentioned in Animal Experimenter Leon. May I suggest "Delusional Dennis" or "Dennis the Disturbed"?

Also, I don't see why Menagerie Zap-o-tron should have anything to do with the Menagerie. Even if you do keep the Menagerie theme (since that's the only place you find Mechs I guess), could you name it "Menagerie Zap-o-matic" as an homage to Whirling Zap-o-matic? I think that would be cool given that the names are already so similar. 

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 The last one I came up with as an example of something that Freezes your own minions, after feedback from Alpine Wolf. I thought it would be good to make a cheap card with lots of downsides. Are the downsides good enough for this though?

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@MrPasserby

Both of your cards are really cool, but Dennis the Mad Gnome has the same problem that you mentioned in Animal Experimenter Leon. May I suggest "Delusional Dennis" or "Dennis the Disturbed"?

Also, I don't see why Menagerie Zap-o-tron should have anything to do with the Menagerie. Even if you do keep the Menagerie theme (since that's the only place you find Mechs I guess), could you name it "Menagerie Zap-o-matic" as an homage to Whirling Zap-o-matic? I think that would be cool given that the names are already so similar. 

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Comparing to King Mukla, The Greench is actually really weak. Even though the two cards are off a deathrattle, they're actual useful cards instead of just Bananas. The other downside just puts it a bit over the edge. 

As for Krennan, the ability to refresh your Hero Power seems especially important because of it swapping. Overall, it's really cool. Also, could you link me to the art that you used? Good potion artwork is really hard to come by. 

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@nurgling13

Comparing to King Mukla, The Greench is actually really weak. Even though the two cards are off a deathrattle, they're actual useful cards instead of just Bananas. The other downside just puts it a bit over the edge. 

As for Krennan, the ability to refresh your Hero Power seems especially important because of it swapping. Overall, it's really cool. Also, could you link me to the art that you used? Good potion artwork is really hard to come by. 

Do you think it would be balanced if it drew just one card? I was working off of Dancing Swords, which only draws 1 card for 1 more stat. So drawing two cards should logically be worth 2-3 stats. My card has 5 extra stats. 

Here is the art: http://irontavern.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/paizo-Alchemy.jpg