People are REALLY missreading how much this card will change hunters.
the days of 2x Hunter's Mark and Tracking are back. Both of these cards were auto includes, but were pushed out by other cards that generate more value, for midrange hunters. Some even ran Arcane Shot!!!
i did a few simulations and these old standards felt really nice with Lock and Load. With 3 trap cards and a pair of the formentioned cards, brings midrange to 16 or 17 spells if you count one Lock and Load. When I goldfished arcane shot was iffy, but wow!!! community.... What a missread. Lol
I remember people said similar things about Feign Death, which can also generates crazy amount of value. The problem is that Hunter does not have means to live long enough to see these values come to fruition. I played Feign Death Hunter deck for 100+ games and the worst match-up is the mirror with 36% win rate. I also played some variant of beast Hunter decks before and I remember the worst match-up was also the mirror. Ironically, Hunter (Face) is what keeping new Hunter archetypes from the meta.
Hot fucking garbage, seriously how can people consider this OP
I don't think it's OP at all. It might facilitate a new type of combo hunter deck which can only be a good thing, but it won't see play in the existing archetypes I don't think.
I guess it's an ok card if you get the coin. Turn 4 this, coin, animal companion isn't too terrible. I'm just not sure you'll be able to hold off playing those cards til turn 4 though.
It may allow a more control heavy hunter with Hunter Mark / Tracking / Arcane Shot. But Hunter need a new mid-range minion below Highmane to survive. A 4-5 drop taunt beast would be awesome. It will be even more awesome if it's a spell like Animal Companion
I am not really good at math, so let me know if I am wrong...
For this card to be at a surplus, the hunter needs to cast 2 consecutive spells. Without any mana-cost reduction (cough.. Emperor.. cough...) you are left with 8 mana to cast the 2+ consecutive spells, ranging from Hunter's Mark to Quick Shot.
Could Miracle Hunter finally become a thing?
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if you just take this card alone with the current Hunter Cards....not so sure....you need a lot of spells with low cost so this card could be good for mid / endgame... I like it better than the web spider spam :)
Feign Death is still awesome and infinitely better than this card!
How do you even compare these cards? They are totally different. Feign death is awesome, I agree, but it doesn't have much room in the meta. One of the reasons why feign death is pretty bad atm is because you need full board and a lot of cards for it to work and you can't have that because you don't have card draw. This in the other hand gives hunter the card draw it needs and through it, it also buffs feign death ;)
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This card will bring back ( hopefully ), the old hunter deck even before Naxx, the one that relied on your 8-mana combo Starving Buzzard plus Unleash the Hounds. Honestly seeing a '' new '' Hunter deck that doesn't focus on just doing face makes me so happy.
This seems like fun. The dream scenario here is to wait until you have a lot of mana and at least 2 more spells. That's like a 6-card hand. Nothing about the current hunter decks sounds like that at all. Shaking up hunter is good and I'm for it.
Let's assume that there's a 50% chance that you get a spell with the Lock and Load effect. That can chain and you have a smaller and smaller chance of getting a spell and having enough mana to play it. This will probably draw people 2 cards on average and work as a board clear. Sounds like control. Sounds like it will make Feign Death good by proxy. Sounds like fun.
I remember people said similar things about Feign Death, which can also generates crazy amount of value. The problem is that Hunter does not have means to live long enough to see these values come to fruition. I played Feign Death Hunter deck for 100+ games and the worst match-up is the mirror with 36% win rate. I also played some variant of beast Hunter decks before and I remember the worst match-up was also the mirror. Ironically, Hunter (Face) is what keeping new Hunter archetypes from the meta.
Meta changes the moment you switch your deck.
Why not make the Hunter even more OP. It think this card is insane.
I don't think it's OP at all. It might facilitate a new type of combo hunter deck which can only be a good thing, but it won't see play in the existing archetypes I don't think.
The only cancer in Hearthstone is its community.
does this card counts? if not this card isn't that good.
I guess it's an ok card if you get the coin. Turn 4 this, coin, animal companion isn't too terrible. I'm just not sure you'll be able to hold off playing those cards til turn 4 though.
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It may allow a more control heavy hunter with Hunter Mark / Tracking / Arcane Shot. But Hunter need a new mid-range minion below Highmane to survive. A 4-5 drop taunt beast would be awesome. It will be even more awesome if it's a spell like Animal Companion
I am not really good at math, so let me know if I am wrong...
For this card to be at a surplus, the hunter needs to cast 2 consecutive spells. Without any mana-cost reduction (cough.. Emperor.. cough...) you are left with 8 mana to cast the 2+ consecutive spells, ranging from Hunter's Mark to Quick Shot.
Could Miracle Hunter finally become a thing?
"Are you not entertained?! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!"
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity." - Maximus Decimus Meridius
if you just take this card alone with the current Hunter Cards....not so sure....you need a lot of spells with low cost so this card could be good for mid / endgame...
I like it better than the web spider spam :)
How do you even compare these cards? They are totally different. Feign death is awesome, I agree, but it doesn't have much room in the meta. One of the reasons why feign death is pretty bad atm is because you need full board and a lot of cards for it to work and you can't have that because you don't have card draw. This in the other hand gives hunter the card draw it needs and through it, it also buffs feign death ;)
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The 'running out of gas' card for Hunters. While random, I can see it played as a way of card draw.
Give a man a Murloc, and he'll eat for a day.
Give him a Murloc Knight, and people will hate him.
'cause fatigue hunter is inc ^^
Who can take your trash out?
Stomp it down for you?
Shake the plastic bag
and do the twisty thingy, too?
Maybe the high cost control spells (like explosive shot) will se play after this?
This card will bring back ( hopefully ), the old hunter deck even before Naxx, the one that relied on your 8-mana combo Starving Buzzard plus Unleash the Hounds. Honestly seeing a '' new '' Hunter deck that doesn't focus on just doing face makes me so happy.
I think the best use of this card is casting 2 of them first and then use other spells. U will get 2 cards for each spell + 1 for 2nd 'lock and load'.
This seems like fun. The dream scenario here is to wait until you have a lot of mana and at least 2 more spells. That's like a 6-card hand. Nothing about the current hunter decks sounds like that at all. Shaking up hunter is good and I'm for it.
Let's assume that there's a 50% chance that you get a spell with the Lock and Load effect. That can chain and you have a smaller and smaller chance of getting a spell and having enough mana to play it. This will probably draw people 2 cards on average and work as a board clear. Sounds like control. Sounds like it will make Feign Death good by proxy. Sounds like fun.
This card opens up so much more potential for damage! One day someone will chain into 4 Quick Shot for lethal.
...because there will be more SMOrc if Hunter gets standard drawing power.
Meta changes the moment you switch your deck.
Raynad rated this card 9/10 and said it will start a new type of hunter.
Does this stack? If you get Lock and Load from a Lock and load and play it do you get 2 random hunter class card per spell casted?
Can't wait to play this card