If you think you're losing cause you don't draw keleseth on the mulligan you're playing the deck wrong, is like you think not drawing Edwin is the thing that loses you the game every time you do, the prince is an amazing card and for sure makes games easier but the deck can easily win without it, I usually keep 1 drops (1 of them ofc) and depending on match-ups I keep stuff like backstab and then SI, Captain with coin, if it's a slow game I always keep Edwin and in fast game always keep 1 creeper, shuffle back everything that's not those cards and if you don't get prince just one advice... GIT GUD.
Keleseth is one of the major reasons why the deck archtype is good. You sacrifice cards like Sap, Eviserate, etc. just for this one card. Now, it is very possible to win with the deck without drawing Keleseth but it is WAAAAAAY harder than when you do draw him.
I don't notice the Keleseth thing so much but Patches is in my opening hand 50% of the time. I even tracked the stats. I'm wondering if it's a soft nerf for both of them that sorta went unannounced? There is no way to nerf the card text without destroying the card, but certainly changing the percentage of likelihood that it ends up in your hand or not is possible.
I don't notice the Keleseth thing so much but Patches is in my opening hand 50% of the time. I even tracked the stats. I'm wondering if it's a soft nerf for both of them that sorta went unannounced? There is no way to nerf the card text without destroying the card, but certainly changing the percentage of likelihood that it ends up in your hand or not is possible.
Yes, indeed, blizzard noticed that you haven't spent as much money on the last couple months and decided to rig the draw RNG so you never get Keleseth and get patches half of the games for sure. Is just human nature boy, everytime you get patches is just tilts the shit outta you, humans just focus on the bad stuff most of the time so for sure you'll notice it more.
If you think you're losing cause you don't draw keleseth on the mulligan you're playing the deck wrong, is like you think not drawing Edwin is the thing that loses you the game every time you do, the prince is an amazing card and for sure makes games easier but the deck can easily win without it, I usually keep 1 drops (1 of them ofc) and depending on match-ups I keep stuff like backstab and then SI, Captain with coin, if it's a slow game I always keep Edwin and in fast game always keep 1 creeper, shuffle back everything that's not those cards and if you don't get prince just one advice... GIT GUD.
Keleseth is one of the major reasons why the deck archtype is good. You sacrifice cards like Sap, Eviserate, etc. just for this one card. Now, it is very possible to win with the deck without drawing Keleseth but it is WAAAAAAY harder than when you do draw him.
Again if you think that the deck gets WAAAAAY worse without Kelly or that's WAAAAAY harder to win without it, then you probably are a terrible player (or at least you suck on this very particular deck which is my guess) you really think if the drawback was so terribly bad to the point that not getting Keleseth consistenly was so game/deckbreaking people would actually play him? We all know that cards like Sap and Eviscerate are amazing, so the vast majority of people playing tempo rogue would drop those cards just for an extremely narrow chance (according to you) of getting the Kelly early enough? the deck is strong enough without a turn 2, without any other 2 drops and definitely strong enough for you to have a very positive winrate, obviously if you get Keleseth on curve the deck just becomes a powerhouse but than can be said for any center piece of any deck right? if you get Raza and anduin on curve then Highlander priest is borderline unbeatable, if you get stuff like call to arms into tarim on curve aggro paladin looks busted af, if you get a board flood into every buff in the deck on aggro druid then you destroy your opponent by turn 5, so yeah if you highroll with any deck it gets insane but definitely tempo rogue is not a deck that without highrolling gets way harder, cut that bs and learn to play the deck
If you think you're losing cause you don't draw keleseth on the mulligan you're playing the deck wrong, is like you think not drawing Edwin is the thing that loses you the game every time you do, the prince is an amazing card and for sure makes games easier but the deck can easily win without it, I usually keep 1 drops (1 of them ofc) and depending on match-ups I keep stuff like backstab and then SI, Captain with coin, if it's a slow game I always keep Edwin and in fast game always keep 1 creeper, shuffle back everything that's not those cards and if you don't get prince just one advice... GIT GUD.
Keleseth is one of the major reasons why the deck archtype is good. You sacrifice cards like Sap, Eviserate, etc. just for this one card. Now, it is very possible to win with the deck without drawing Keleseth but it is WAAAAAAY harder than when you do draw him.
Again if you think that the deck gets WAAAAAY worse without Kelly or that's WAAAAAY harder to win without it, then you probably are a terrible player (or at least you suck on this very particular deck which is my guess) you really think if the drawback was so terribly bad to the point that not getting Keleseth consistenly was so game/deckbreaking people would actually play him? We all know that cards like Sap and Eviscerate are amazing, so the vast majority of people playing tempo rogue would drop those cards just for an extremely narrow chance (according to you) of getting the Kelly early enough? the deck is strong enough without a turn 2, without any other 2 drops and definitely strong enough for you to have a very positive winrate, obviously if you get Keleseth on curve the deck just becomes a powerhouse but than can be said for any center piece of any deck right? if you get Raza and anduin on curve then Highlander priest is borderline unbeatable, if you get stuff like call to arms into tarim on curve aggro paladin looks busted af, if you get a board flood into every buff in the deck on aggro druid then you destroy your opponent by turn 5, so yeah if you highroll with any deck it gets insane but definitely tempo rogue is not a deck that without highrolling gets way harder, cut that bs and learn to play the deck
To your first point about no one playing decks that are horrendously bad without their core cards, I show you Highlander Priest. If you don't draw Raza and Anduin, you lose the game. That's it. Now onto the second point. Keleseth is not powerful entirely on his own. It's the possibility that you drop him, Shadowstep him, play him again then Shadowstep him once more and then play him to give your entire deck +3/+3. At that point, it is pretty much impossible to win. Even +2/+2 is incredibly difficult to win. Heck, even +1/+1 is a massive difference. It's also quite obvious that whenever a deck that has highrolls does not highroll, it gets much more difficult. Imagine not ever drawing this card and instead drawing Patches compared to the previous scenario with the Shadowsteps.
If you think you're losing cause you don't draw keleseth on the mulligan you're playing the deck wrong, is like you think not drawing Edwin is the thing that loses you the game every time you do, the prince is an amazing card and for sure makes games easier but the deck can easily win without it, I usually keep 1 drops (1 of them ofc) and depending on match-ups I keep stuff like backstab and then SI, Captain with coin, if it's a slow game I always keep Edwin and in fast game always keep 1 creeper, shuffle back everything that's not those cards and if you don't get prince just one advice... GIT GUD.
Keleseth is one of the major reasons why the deck archtype is good. You sacrifice cards like Sap, Eviserate, etc. just for this one card. Now, it is very possible to win with the deck without drawing Keleseth but it is WAAAAAAY harder than when you do draw him.
Again if you think that the deck gets WAAAAAY worse without Kelly or that's WAAAAAY harder to win without it, then you probably are a terrible player (or at least you suck on this very particular deck which is my guess) you really think if the drawback was so terribly bad to the point that not getting Keleseth consistenly was so game/deckbreaking people would actually play him? We all know that cards like Sap and Eviscerate are amazing, so the vast majority of people playing tempo rogue would drop those cards just for an extremely narrow chance (according to you) of getting the Kelly early enough? the deck is strong enough without a turn 2, without any other 2 drops and definitely strong enough for you to have a very positive winrate, obviously if you get Keleseth on curve the deck just becomes a powerhouse but than can be said for any center piece of any deck right? if you get Raza and anduin on curve then Highlander priest is borderline unbeatable, if you get stuff like call to arms into tarim on curve aggro paladin looks busted af, if you get a board flood into every buff in the deck on aggro druid then you destroy your opponent by turn 5, so yeah if you highroll with any deck it gets insane but definitely tempo rogue is not a deck that without highrolling gets way harder, cut that bs and learn to play the deck
To your first point about no one playing decks that are horrendously bad without their core cards, I show you Highlander Priest. If you don't draw Raza and Anduin, you lose the game. That's it. Now onto the second point. Keleseth is not powerful entirely on his own. It's the possibility that you drop him, Shadowstep him, play him again then Shadowstep him once more and then play him to give your entire deck +3/+3. At that point, it is pretty much impossible to win. Even +2/+2 is incredibly difficult to win. Heck, even +1/+1 is a massive difference. It's also quite obvious that whenever a deck that has highrolls does not highroll, it gets much more difficult. Imagine not ever drawing this card and instead drawing Patches compared to the previous scenario with the Shadowsteps.
You don't even have a clue about what you're saying lol Of fucking course if you don't draw Raza or Anduin or if for example if both cards are in the bottom 5-3 cards you'll suffer a lot to win, Highlander priest is a COMBO deck, the whole point of a combo deck is to draw your combo, if you don't you lose and if you do, you'll probably win if the win condition is strong enough, your "example" is probably the dumbest argument I've heard ever, on the other hand TEMPO rogue is a TEMPO deck, it doesn't require you to draw the same exact cards to complete the puzzle on every single game in order to win.
Omfg you can't stop saying non-sense after non-sense can you? This proves my entire point you either haven't played the deck enough or you plain out suck, ask right now to 100 people that have played this deck at least 100 games, ask them how many times they got Keleseth into Shadowstep, let alone the double shadowstep and the funny thing is that if that's your starting hand it's not even good as you might think, yes giving your whole deck +3/3 is insane but at that point you seriously need to highroll your opponent cause you'll be left pretty much top-decking turn after turn, so no, the strenght of tempo rogue is not getting Keleseth into shadowstep twice, that almost never happens, even just bouncing Kelly once is not a super common scenario.
Tempo rogue is a strong deck on its own, drawing Keleseth makes it better and one shadowstep makes it a steam roller but not getting this card is a very realistic scenario (Or at least doing it early enough which is the whole point of the card) so what's your point? if I don't get Keleseth I have a big issue? Jeez then all the people reaching legend and playing a decent legend rank must draw Keleseth every single game for the winrate to be so good with this deck, they are the luckiest people I've heard of, pls gimme some of that luck.
I don't notice the Keleseth thing so much but Patches is in my opening hand 50% of the time. I even tracked the stats. I'm wondering if it's a soft nerf for both of them that sorta went unannounced? There is no way to nerf the card text without destroying the card, but certainly changing the percentage of likelihood that it ends up in your hand or not is possible.
I don't notice the Keleseth thing so much but Patches is in my opening hand 50% of the time. I even tracked the stats. I'm wondering if it's a soft nerf for both of them that sorta went unannounced? There is no way to nerf the card text without destroying the card, but certainly changing the percentage of likelihood that it ends up in your hand or not is possible.
Yes, indeed, blizzard noticed that you haven't spent as much money on the last couple months and decided to rig the draw RNG so you never get Keleseth and get patches half of the games for sure. Is just human nature boy, everytime you get patches is just tilts the shit outta you, humans just focus on the bad stuff most of the time so for sure you'll notice it more.
I don't get tilted in Hearthstone. Getting tilted to for gamblers. Also, they already DO change the percentage of cards in Arena and how often they show up in your draft.... is it so absurd to think they could tune the draw percentage down (Keleseth) or up (Patches) for particular cards? IMO that would be the best way to nerf Keleseth and/or Patches without destroying the cards themselves.
Having Prince Keleseth in your deck is more of a way to add on more value to a deck that should be generating a fair amount of tempo/aggro on its own. The best thing to do when playing tempo rouge is to completely forget you have Keleseth in your deck and play it as is until that lucky moment when your starting hand in coin, Keleseth, shadowstep, shadowstep and deckhand.
I don't notice the Keleseth thing so much but Patches is in my opening hand 50% of the time. I even tracked the stats. I'm wondering if it's a soft nerf for both of them that sorta went unannounced? There is no way to nerf the card text without destroying the card, but certainly changing the percentage of likelihood that it ends up in your hand or not is possible.
I don't notice the Keleseth thing so much but Patches is in my opening hand 50% of the time. I even tracked the stats. I'm wondering if it's a soft nerf for both of them that sorta went unannounced? There is no way to nerf the card text without destroying the card, but certainly changing the percentage of likelihood that it ends up in your hand or not is possible.
Yes, indeed, blizzard noticed that you haven't spent as much money on the last couple months and decided to rig the draw RNG so you never get Keleseth and get patches half of the games for sure. Is just human nature boy, everytime you get patches is just tilts the shit outta you, humans just focus on the bad stuff most of the time so for sure you'll notice it more.
I don't get tilted in Hearthstone. Getting tilted to for gamblers. Also, they already DO change the percentage of cards in Arena and how often they show up in your draft.... is it so absurd to think they could tune the draw percentage down (Keleseth) or up (Patches) for particular cards? IMO that would be the best way to nerf Keleseth and/or Patches without destroying the cards themselves.
That's two completely different things, making it so certain cards are less likely to show up on a random group of 3 during DECKBUILDING is one thing, on a format where certain cards for one or another reason are extremely powerful and unbalanced, arena is a format where a lot of the games can be won just with your deck composition, sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, the opponent's deck is just far superior, so they have to make this adjustments so there's less people wuth busted af decks but cause at the end what you get is random and mostly luck based, on the other hand rigging an specific card showing up on your starting hand is ridiculous and probably very illegal, unless they specifically say that's the intended it to work like that (quests for example) they can't nerf a card by making it show less or more on your hand early or at any point for that matter it's justyour luck kid and probably a very bias opinion, there have been a bunch of games where I play my first pirate really late and I'm like wow I haven't drawn patches yet and I already want through half of my deck, impressive, so no, blizzard can't and or won't the ratio of a card showing up in your hand like that.
last 10 games: saw keleseth one time only (not speaking about the opening hand, I mean all the games combined), draw patches 7 times on turn 3 or earlier. beat this. I challenge you.
ik how you feel, it's the same when playing against those dirty raza priests, without fail they always seem to have kazakus on turn 4, raza on 5 and anduin on 8 and then when people like you and I try that deck, all 3 cards always seem to be at the bottom. lol, same thing with keleseth, opponent always has it turn 2, a lot of the time with shadowstep aswell and I think the longest I went without even drawing keleseth, let alone getting to play him was 13 games in a row without evening seeing him in my hand.
This is the deck I currently play and at first I was super annoyed about not drawing Keleseth (to a point where I went and checked the cards in the deck to make sure it's there) but after playing it for a bit I'm satisfied. I wanted a deck to get me to rank 15-10 without too much effort and this does the job just fine.
People said it balances over time so just play it more and you'll eventually have matches where you will draw him.
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I play kelth with gorgan and mostly just play the pirate if I don’t get him in hand with at least one shadow step
Having Prince Keleseth in your deck is more of a way to add on more value to a deck that should be generating a fair amount of tempo/aggro on its own. The best thing to do when playing tempo rouge is to completely forget you have Keleseth in your deck and play it as is until that lucky moment when your starting hand in coin, Keleseth, shadowstep, shadowstep and deckhand.
last 10 games: saw keleseth one time only (not speaking about the opening hand, I mean all the games combined), draw patches 7 times on turn 3 or earlier. beat this. I challenge you.
Have you tried goat sacrifice?
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This is the deck I currently play and at first I was super annoyed about not drawing Keleseth (to a point where I went and checked the cards in the deck to make sure it's there) but after playing it for a bit I'm satisfied. I wanted a deck to get me to rank 15-10 without too much effort and this does the job just fine.
People said it balances over time so just play it more and you'll eventually have matches where you will draw him.