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If you are just after daily quest viability then I would recommend the neutrals. Or even just strategic rares/epics.

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I recommend you to focus on epics .. they are used more than most legendaries, but first, see which deck attract you the most, build it

 

Advice : save some gold to buy like 20 packs from the next exp you can collect 2k so easily

 

Patches will rotate out next april

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Quote from Salohcin >>

If you are just after daily quest viability then I would recommend the neutrals. Or even just strategic rares/epics.

 Yes daily quests is my main objective, i do craft essential epics and rares from time to time. But i would also like to, you know craft good cards that would make a deck more viable overall. I asked about the two specific dks cause i do have all the class cards for warlock and shaman. 

Am currently using mid range hunter and zoo to climb(sometimes even evolve shaman just to change things up) .  Would crafting warlock and shaman dk help me to use them in ladder? 

I am kinda confused about the entire concept and therefore asked. 

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Quote from Salohcin >>

If you are just after daily quest viability then I would recommend the neutrals. Or even just strategic rares/epics.

 Yes daily quests is my main objective, i do craft essential epics and rares from time to time. But i would also like to, you know craft good cards that would make a deck more viable overall. I asked about the two specific dks cause i do have all the class cards for warlock and shaman. 

Am currently using mid range hunter and zoo to climb(sometimes even evolve shaman just to change things up) .  Would crafting warlock and shaman dk help me to use them in ladder? 

I am kinda confused about the entire concept and therefore asked. 

 Wouldn't bother with Shaman DK. It is strong but not essential and I am not convinced it will hold value long term. 

The warlock DK is a really strong card so it will likely see play in future meta's. I would consider it a safer craft. Especially considering you play zoo as a "main" deck. 

Keleseth has the advantage that it is a neutral so can be played by more classes. It is very strong in warlock and rogue in particular. Patches remains probably the strongest single legendary (but will rotate to wild April next year).

Hey guys,

Hunter is one of my favourite class,and I am about to get golden hero(30 wins left), but I miss Rexxar DK.

My question is that is it worth crafting it?

Is it essential in standard ranked, expecially above ranked 5?

Thanks in advance for suggestions.

I would wait until next expansion on December, but if you want to craft one now, I would choose Frost Lich Jaina or Lyra the Sunshard because these two cards fit in almost all mage and priest decks. I have Rotface and I run it in an N'Zoth Control deck, but it is just a fun card that can be replaced.

I have a question. If I was to craft a deck with 4 legendaries from the classic packs and one from the new expansion, would I rather open new expansion packs for the dust to create those classic legendaries or should I try my luck and open classics from now on?

i died at  "Nozdormu - Meme card, counter to Lifecoach." :)) :)) :))

Merged a couple threads asking which legendary to craft. Let's try to keep all those questions in this thread instead of making several individual threads. When blizzcon starts this card discussion forum will be swamped.

Thanks! 

Shadowreaper Anduin is only a staple in Razakus Priest. It's only sometimes used in Big, Purify, Dragon, and other Priest decks. It still stays tier 1, but a big word of warning that if new players want to play Razakus Priest, they practically also need Raza the Chained. They do not necessarily require Kazakus but it is greatly recommended. Just wanted to say this before someone uses 1600 dust and needs another 1600 for the other legendary.

Let me quote your heading: 'These are the kings of the meta today'. - So you're judging this on the meta of today.

Patches the Pirate in 31% of decks - He only gets played in aggressive decks so that's a huge percentage, he's tier 1. He should define the quality that is tier 1. Fair enough.

Sunkeeper Tarim isn't seen much since Paladin sucks a bit now, he cannot be tier 1 since there such a low representation now. Same with Finja.
The fact that Raza The Unchained is here PROVES that this is done by what is going on TODAY.

And so.... The Lich King is here, a card that sees fringe play at the best of times. It may be a good craft for new players, but then why are cards like Lyra and Cairne up there? Since Cairne has been garbage since Vanilla. LK sees play in 14% of decks and considering he fits into ALL classes and ALL types of decks, this is astonishingly low for a tier 1 card. 

Keleseth sees 24% play, and he is hugely limited, that's tier 1. Prophet Velen being tier 1 proves you're doing this by power level now, Velen will most likely go back to sucking soon, new players should not craft this. 

If LK is to remain tier 1 then you need to be more specific and divide Patches/Keleseth/Aya from the rest of them because the power level between them and cards like LK is more than the gap between LK and tier 5.

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Let me quote your heading: 'These are the kings of the meta today'. - So you're judging this on the meta of today.

Patches the Pirate in 31% of decks - He only gets played in aggressive decks so that's a huge percentage, he's tier 1. He should define the quality that is tier 1. Fair enough.

Sunkeeper Tarim isn't seen much since Paladin sucks a bit now, he cannot be tier 1 since there such a low representation now. Same with Finja.
The fact that Raza The Unchained is here PROVES that this is done by what is going on TODAY.

And so.... The Lich King is here, a card that sees fringe play at the best of times. It may be a good craft for new players, but then why are cards like Lyra and Cairne up there? Since Cairne has been garbage since Vanilla. LK sees play in 14% of decks and considering he fits into ALL classes and ALL types of decks, this is astonishingly low for a tier 1 card. 

Keleseth sees 24% play, and he is hugely limited, that's tier 1. Prophet Velen being tier 1 proves you're doing this by power level now, Velen will most likely go back to sucking soon, new players should not craft this. 

If LK is to remain tier 1 then you need to be more specific and divide Patches/Keleseth/Aya from the rest of them because the power level between them and cards like LK is more than the gap between LK and tier 5.

Anyone?

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I wouldn't call dr boom tier 1. I have played a lot of wild and you almost never see it except maybe at really low ranks by players who think it's as good as it was in the past. it's just not a tier 1 card anymore, maybe tier 3.

 I dont think they really looked into wild

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Quote from moonsorrow999 >>

Let me quote your heading: 'These are the kings of the meta today'. - So you're judging this on the meta of today.

Patches the Pirate in 31% of decks - He only gets played in aggressive decks so that's a huge percentage, he's tier 1. He should define the quality that is tier 1. Fair enough.

Sunkeeper Tarim isn't seen much since Paladin sucks a bit now, he cannot be tier 1 since there such a low representation now. Same with Finja.
The fact that Raza The Unchained is here PROVES that this is done by what is going on TODAY.

And so.... The Lich King is here, a card that sees fringe play at the best of times. It may be a good craft for new players, but then why are cards like Lyra and Cairne up there? Since Cairne has been garbage since Vanilla. LK sees play in 14% of decks and considering he fits into ALL classes and ALL types of decks, this is astonishingly low for a tier 1 card. 

Keleseth sees 24% play, and he is hugely limited, that's tier 1. Prophet Velen being tier 1 proves you're doing this by power level now, Velen will most likely go back to sucking soon, new players should not craft this. 

If LK is to remain tier 1 then you need to be more specific and divide Patches/Keleseth/Aya from the rest of them because the power level between them and cards like LK is more than the gap between LK and tier 5.

 We have been over this MoonSorrow...

This guide is not for people who wants to play Professional. This is a guide to help people decide which cards will help them the most, if they have a limited amount of dust. In this case the Lich King is top tier, as you can put it in as a replacement of an other big card in just about every single Midrange and Control deck.

Also if we look only at how much they have been played. Then The Lich King is currently the 8th most played legendary. Which is argueably Tier 1. If we look only at winrates, then we see that cards like Deathwing'Dragonlord has a higher winrate than several of the current top tier legendaries.

We have tried to take all of these factors into consideration, and we ended up with this list, that most people seemt to agree on.

Edit: Also Neutral cards have been weighted slightly higher in this list, as they are more valueable as they can be put into considerably more decks.

 

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Quote from moonsorrow999 >>

Let me quote your heading: 'These are the kings of the meta today'. - So you're judging this on the meta of today.

Patches the Pirate in 31% of decks - He only gets played in aggressive decks so that's a huge percentage, he's tier 1. He should define the quality that is tier 1. Fair enough.

Sunkeeper Tarim isn't seen much since Paladin sucks a bit now, he cannot be tier 1 since there such a low representation now. Same with Finja.
The fact that Raza The Unchained is here PROVES that this is done by what is going on TODAY.

And so.... The Lich King is here, a card that sees fringe play at the best of times. It may be a good craft for new players, but then why are cards like Lyra and Cairne up there? Since Cairne has been garbage since Vanilla. LK sees play in 14% of decks and considering he fits into ALL classes and ALL types of decks, this is astonishingly low for a tier 1 card. 

Keleseth sees 24% play, and he is hugely limited, that's tier 1. Prophet Velen being tier 1 proves you're doing this by power level now, Velen will most likely go back to sucking soon, new players should not craft this. 

If LK is to remain tier 1 then you need to be more specific and divide Patches/Keleseth/Aya from the rest of them because the power level between them and cards like LK is more than the gap between LK and tier 5.

 We have been over this MoonSorrow...

This guide is not for people who wants to play Professional. This is a guide to help people decide which cards will help them the most, if they have a limited amount of dust. In this case the Lich King is top tier, as you can put it in as a replacement of an other big card in just about every single Midrange and Control deck.

Also if we look only at how much they have been played. Then The Lich King is currently the 8th most played legendary. Which is argueably Tier 1. If we look only at winrates, then we see that cards like Deathwing'Dragonlord has a higher winrate than several of the current top tier legendaries.

We have tried to take all of these factors into consideration, and we ended up with this list, that most people seemt to agree on.

Edit: Also Neutral cards have been weighted slightly higher in this list, as they are more valueable as they can be put into considerably more decks.

 

 -My point is there is so much discrepancy with what you say. New players should craft Velen, you say?
 -Being a neutral and the 8th most played legendary isn't that great, like I said.
 -Small sample size with DW.
 -There are clear differences between how some cards are look at, and it's based off different things.

 

Quote from Arawynn7 >>

Hey guys,

Hunter is one of my favourite class,and I am about to get golden hero(30 wins left), but I miss Rexxar DK.

My question is that is it worth crafting it?

Is it essential in standard ranked, expecially above ranked 5?

Thanks in advance for suggestions.

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Quote from moonsorrow999 >>

Quote from ThisOtherGuyTox >>

Quote from moonsorrow999 >>

Let me quote your heading: 'These are the kings of the meta today'. - So you're judging this on the meta of today.

Patches the Pirate in 31% of decks - He only gets played in aggressive decks so that's a huge percentage, he's tier 1. He should define the quality that is tier 1. Fair enough.

Sunkeeper Tarim isn't seen much since Paladin sucks a bit now, he cannot be tier 1 since there such a low representation now. Same with Finja.
The fact that Raza The Unchained is here PROVES that this is done by what is going on TODAY.

And so.... The Lich King is here, a card that sees fringe play at the best of times. It may be a good craft for new players, but then why are cards like Lyra and Cairne up there? Since Cairne has been garbage since Vanilla. LK sees play in 14% of decks and considering he fits into ALL classes and ALL types of decks, this is astonishingly low for a tier 1 card. 

Keleseth sees 24% play, and he is hugely limited, that's tier 1. Prophet Velen being tier 1 proves you're doing this by power level now, Velen will most likely go back to sucking soon, new players should not craft this. 

If LK is to remain tier 1 then you need to be more specific and divide Patches/Keleseth/Aya from the rest of them because the power level between them and cards like LK is more than the gap between LK and tier 5.

 We have been over this MoonSorrow...

This guide is not for people who wants to play Professional. This is a guide to help people decide which cards will help them the most, if they have a limited amount of dust. In this case the Lich King is top tier, as you can put it in as a replacement of an other big card in just about every single Midrange and Control deck.

Also if we look only at how much they have been played. Then The Lich King is currently the 8th most played legendary. Which is argueably Tier 1. If we look only at winrates, then we see that cards like Deathwing'Dragonlord has a higher winrate than several of the current top tier legendaries.

We have tried to take all of these factors into consideration, and we ended up with this list, that most people seemt to agree on.

Edit: Also Neutral cards have been weighted slightly higher in this list, as they are more valueable as they can be put into considerably more decks.

 

 -My point is there is so much discrepancy with what you say. New players should craft Velen, you say?
 -Being a neutral and the 8th most played legendary isn't that great, like I said.
 -Small sample size with DW.
 -There are clear differences between how some cards are look at, and it's based off different things.

 - You know i diden't agree with putting Velen in as Tier 1.
- Being the 8th still means it's more used than all neutral Legendaries other than Bloodmage and Keleseth. Including Cairne, who you diden't mention for some weird reason.
- Yes there is a relatively small sample with DW. (Around 40.000 plays, compared to the Lich Kings 800.000). But the point where i mentioned it was not related to amount of play, but winrate exclusively.
- All the cards are being looked at the same way. Although some cards excel more in some parts of the scoring than the other does. 

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Quote from ThisOtherGuyTox >>

Quote from moonsorrow999 >>

Quote from ThisOtherGuyTox >>

Quote from moonsorrow999 >>

Let me quote your heading: 'These are the kings of the meta today'. - So you're judging this on the meta of today.

Patches the Pirate in 31% of decks - He only gets played in aggressive decks so that's a huge percentage, he's tier 1. He should define the quality that is tier 1. Fair enough.

Sunkeeper Tarim isn't seen much since Paladin sucks a bit now, he cannot be tier 1 since there such a low representation now. Same with Finja.
The fact that Raza The Unchained is here PROVES that this is done by what is going on TODAY.

And so.... The Lich King is here, a card that sees fringe play at the best of times. It may be a good craft for new players, but then why are cards like Lyra and Cairne up there? Since Cairne has been garbage since Vanilla. LK sees play in 14% of decks and considering he fits into ALL classes and ALL types of decks, this is astonishingly low for a tier 1 card. 

Keleseth sees 24% play, and he is hugely limited, that's tier 1. Prophet Velen being tier 1 proves you're doing this by power level now, Velen will most likely go back to sucking soon, new players should not craft this. 

If LK is to remain tier 1 then you need to be more specific and divide Patches/Keleseth/Aya from the rest of them because the power level between them and cards like LK is more than the gap between LK and tier 5.

 We have been over this MoonSorrow...

This guide is not for people who wants to play Professional. This is a guide to help people decide which cards will help them the most, if they have a limited amount of dust. In this case the Lich King is top tier, as you can put it in as a replacement of an other big card in just about every single Midrange and Control deck.

Also if we look only at how much they have been played. Then The Lich King is currently the 8th most played legendary. Which is argueably Tier 1. If we look only at winrates, then we see that cards like Deathwing'Dragonlord has a higher winrate than several of the current top tier legendaries.

We have tried to take all of these factors into consideration, and we ended up with this list, that most people seemt to agree on.

Edit: Also Neutral cards have been weighted slightly higher in this list, as they are more valueable as they can be put into considerably more decks.

 

 -My point is there is so much discrepancy with what you say. New players should craft Velen, you say?
 -Being a neutral and the 8th most played legendary isn't that great, like I said.
 -Small sample size with DW.
 -There are clear differences between how some cards are look at, and it's based off different things.

 - You know i diden't agree with putting Velen in as Tier 1.
- Being the 8th still means it's more used than all neutral Legendaries other than Bloodmage and Keleseth. Including Cairne, who you diden't mention for some weird reason.
- Yes there is a relatively small sample with DW. (Around 40.000 plays, compared to the Lich Kings 800.000). But the point where i mentioned it was not related to amount of play, but winrate exclusively.
- All the cards are being looked at the same way. Although some cards excel more in some parts of the scoring than the other does. 

 But Bloodmage and Keleseth are not viable in every single deck. If LK is tier 1, then he should be run in most decks which means he should be first or second, even ahead of Patches since Patches is only for aggressive decks.