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Your whole argument is full of issues. Stop acting like an “intellectual” and act a little humble. If Big Priest in your eyes is only a problem because players don’t tech or play correctly against, why do almost all pro wild players hate it? Example:Control. Your argument is pretty faulty and can barely support itself. Provide some evidence and we can have a proper discussion not full of fallacy's. I have even more points that can obliterate your poor argument but I’ll wait for your response. But I shouldn’t regurgitate the same insults, for I do like some of your Reno decks.

 Since your post is so well made and you are the manifestation of humbleness itself, I'm gonna entertain myself and answer you in a little bit sarcastical way yet with me proving my point. You as many others in the thread just saw a Big Priest example and just charged against it like a bull charging on a red colour.  My argument is not "pretty faulty" and streamers and pro players are against it yet they play it on tournaments and  they are criticizing it as much as any other strong deck. "I have even more points that can obliterate your poor agrument but I'll wait for response. But I shouldn’t regurgitate the same insults, for I do like your account  name." <- I would like to quote this and rephrase it a little bit for you because you need this more than me my friend) Have a cup of coffee. Sit back and reread my post. Especially the edited part which I made for "especially special" people like you that like to jump into conclusions quickly), You charged at me with your facts and logic yet they can be compared  to Colossus of Rhodes-they are currently non existent) I wish you good read and if you want to discuss the actual missplaying and poor deckbuilding topic,then lets have a talk ^^

 

 

 Basically you had no evidence so you resorted to putting a jumbled mess of words to try to make people think ‘I wrote a lot and am insulting the person that doesn’t agree with me!’ Provide some evidence your argumentative skills are horrendous. No rebuttal whatsoever, also in my earlier statement I not only insulted your feelings, but dismantled your argument for the simple fact, that if these decks wouldn’t be so good if people were playing good, why do people consistently get top 100 legend, and a hearthstone tournament player and wild expert Control, said himself:”Big Priest is unhealthy for the game and so are decks like odd Paladin”. But I guess I didn’t make it clear, which I would think somebody who is not as “Special” as me could understand. Again get this through your dense skull and stop relying on your edited post to save you when you don’t provide substantial evidence. 

 The thing is that was exactly my point in my response: To make you understand how your post looks like to a random reader. How am I supposed to talk with you when your "ubreakable point" goes in cirles around an example in my post and is reffering to Control which is yes, a pro Wild player yet so toxic and hypocritical that I wouldn't dare to make him as an example to prove any point. You can ignore my EDIT that makes it clearer/TLDR of the thread all you want but that doesnt mean that your ignoration will somehow change the topic of the thread. "Get this through your dense skull "If you dont want to accept that then theres nothing to talk about. Cheers mate^^

 Again, hiding behind your edited post isn’t gonna save you, explain to me how Control is not a reliable pro with evidence, and in your earlier post against you yourself stated that streamers and pro players play these decks in tournaments meaning they aren’t going up against people who are brain dead. Ironically you countered your own point lmao. And I said in the quote of Control: “so are decks like odd Paladin” Meaning what other example decks are you talking about?  Decks like odd Paladin for Control means: Kingsbane Rogue,Darkest Hour Warlock,etc. Basically decks in his eyes that don’t require much brain power to pilot, showing again, you didn’t read my response properly. But if you’re gonna keep hiding behind your edit, because you didn’t learn any argumentative skills in school then that’s fine. I don’t like arguing with a brick wall.

Fuck you and your big priest deck and 'your skill', everybody who play that deck should kill them self. 

I can't help but wonder... If you think the problem isn't with wild, but with the players, can you really say it would fix problems related to wild? Can you really say, that it would solve a problem with the format, if the problem is the players?

Anyway. There is a ranked ladder for that very reason. Couldn't you just test your hypothesis by seeing if big priest is a blockade at a particular rank? Since that would mean you have your 'skillful' pool above big priests, and an 'unskilled' pool below?

And if that is indeed the case, I can't help but ask - isn't that 'working as intended'? You climb the ranks if you prepare for the meta and get better, and you probably don't climb much if you don't care to improve.

Because - and I'll apologize preemptively for assuming your intention - it seems to me like your a priori assumption is that: if players better understood the game, they wouldn't be frustrated with Priest, they would simply tech for it. But I think that presupposes the problem with priest is its win-rate, whereas the problem with a particular deck can also be that the matches are boring or monotonous, or that it is a very polarized matchup where you know the outcome up front because one deck wins 90% of the time or so. Strong polarization, for example, is a design issue and not a skill issue per se.

PS: I don't really have a horse in this race; I think wild is great fun and find the deck variety is fantastic above rank 5.

"bad players" "just tech lool" 

tech cards are trash in such polarized mode.

and you cant play around everything in that mode. i dont understand where this wild vs standard arguments come from.

i can say the same thing for standard. and standard is even more predictable but people still make mistakes versus wild which is a mode that any card may show up.

You can't expect players to just play better. If they could, they would. The game needs to be balanced around the actual skill level of the player base. If the Big Priest players themselves were more skilled, you'd have a point, but why is it that the players trying to counter the meta ought to just git gud, while Big Priest involves no thought process?

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You can't expect players to just play better. If they could, they would. The game needs to be balanced around the actual skill level of the player base. If the Big Priest players themselves were more skilled, you'd have a point, but why is it that the players trying to counter the meta ought to just git gud, while Big Priest involves no thought process?

 I cant expect them to play better but I can expect from them to improve. Not playing around Muster for Battle on turn 3 and playing Maelstorm Portal turn Earlier on 2 Recruits,Oozing the 3/1 Kingsbane or playing Reno after 11 Sheeps  being Psychic Screamed into your deck are stupid plays and shall not be expected on high ranks and you cant change my opinion about this. This is just stupid. The game shoudnt be balanced around players but rather improve thier skills and such. People are hurt to see Big Priest as an example in my thread because "" it hurts and pisses them of to play against but highroll decks and powerfull plays in early turns are not going anywhere (via Mechahunter,Kingsbane,Darkest Hourlock,Thekal Giant package etc.) so they better find a ways how to counter them

Point of Big Priest having no effort to play is pointless. A good example is Corbett and mooingsheep game from small Wild tournaments where you can actually see a difference between skilled and unskilled Big Priest player. People should stop using the deck requires no skill point because its just plain stupid and it was used on such decks as Patron Warrior,Freeze Mage,Razakus Priest or Cubelock along all the others. I do not take this as a point at all because it sounds like a subjective opinion used on EVERY deck that plays something besides vanilla stats and textless cards. The only time where skill didnt matter at all in Hearthstone was during prenerfed Yogg era where that stupid card decided the games (even on a f***ing tournamnets!) by itself just because RNG and lol I have nothing to loose so Imma play this card.