Is what Zalae, Purple and others do considered cheating or not? They sit on a call together and while on live ladder talk over how to play the opponent that one guy is playing. So it's principly a "Team" versus one. Just asking as it seems really poor form and questionable at best to be legit.
Good question. But seeing as they do this live on twitch semi-regularly, it can't be against any rules. If it were, they would have had consequences by now. And incidentally, they don't really get any extra help from the other person. They are all plenty good enough on their own to win the same matches.
Edit: Ironically, they might actually lose more matches by doing this, due to devoting their attention to their conversation and game both, rather than focusing on optimizing their gameplay only.
Edit #2: technically all streamers can be playing as a "team" if their chatters are even remotely helpful or skilled at playing. But all streamers can also be "stream sniped," so it balances out. Verbally communicating with other players is not actually different from chat communicating with them, though it might seem like it.
I don’t see a problem with it. They are friends playing a game together. I’ve had friends watch me and give me tips and vice versa. Also they are hilarious entertainment.
I don't know if I think it's cheating, unless there's some knowledge passed on that the actually player wouldn't know. For example if the other player was being watched, then commenting on their cards in hand would be cheating.
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Let's be real: it's an advantage in only the highest level of play only. It's not the huge advantage to have a think-tank twerk team that some might believe lol.
It's not cheating unless one of them has information about their opponent's hand and is giving that info to the person playing. Often I feel like they are trying to help each other learn or hone their skills with a certain deck/class/matchup. It's similar to pro athletes going to practice, or studying game film with the exception of this is happening in a live ladder environment for their e-sport.
I'm sure if it was a problem, Blizzard would have said something already and stopped the situation. But also, I feel like there are probably more pro players that practice in a similar fashion with teammates while off stream. So how would you regulate that if Blizzard did think it was an issue? They already seem to have difficulty enforcing rules about win trading even when they know about it.
I don't disagree but it's why I pose the question. The player actually playing the game misses something or misses the most optimal play and someone in his call corrects him. How is that fair to the people that are playing against them? This is less accusatory and more a discussion that merits being had.
I feel it's just something that I've noticed that didn't feel...Kosher. If that makes any sense. It's incredibly hard to enforce and Blizz never enforces anyway I agree. Just wanted to see because I know that when I queue up I am queuing up to play someone 1 v 1. 3 v 1 feels like a marginally stacked deck. Where they are able to work out the most optimal play because three sets of eyes or four are better than one.
I don't disagree but it's why I pose the question. The player actually playing the game misses something or misses the most optimal play and someone in his call corrects him. How is that fair to the people that are playing against them? This is less accusatory and more a discussion that merits being had.
This is just something that can happen when playing a digital card game, whether on stream or off stream. It's totally fine, since anyone could do it if they have friends who also play the game. If you want perfect fairness, you have to play in a tournament. And again, by streaming their matches, they open themselves up to actual cheaters, who can snipe the stream and have perfect knowledge of their hand and their plans. So, even if it's an advantage, it balances out with the disadvantage of streaming in the first place.
It's no cheating at all, unless they would know the opponents hand and give it out to the player. Or would you consider cheating if somebody is playing together locally (brother, sister, wife, husband)?
Is what Zalae, Purple and others do considered cheating or not? They sit on a call together and while on live ladder talk over how to play the opponent that one guy is playing. So it's principly a "Team" versus one. Just asking as it seems really poor form and questionable at best to be legit.
I think all streamers look at their chat and might receive "help" or "tips" on something they might have missed. Ultimately all of those people are some of the best in the world....in the long run does it really matter?
I feel it's just something that I've noticed that didn't feel...Kosher. If that makes any sense. It's incredibly hard to enforce and Blizz never enforces anyway I agree. Just wanted to see because I know that when I queue up I am queuing up to play someone 1 v 1. 3 v 1 feels like a marginally stacked deck. Where they are able to work out the most optimal play because three sets of eyes or four are better than one.
I get it, but as others have pointed out too, any player who is streaming, even if they only have a handful of people in their chat, will have suggestions in chat to help them find the best play.
And in some cases, having multiple people giving their opinion causes these streamers to make mistakes as well because they disagree with the other person/people on the stream with them and get something wrong. I guess it comes down to how often you are being matched up against people who are playing with friends as compared to playing alone. And I feel it's probably so minimal it barely makes a difference in the big picture.
As a new player, I find Zalae discussing play with Purple, Firebat quite helpful. Analyzing different lines, playing around certain cards.
Hope they continue to do it.
Additionally, their opponents could just open his Twitch stream to see his hands, if they so desired. So yeah, I guess it's a win-win for all parties involved.
Lol are you actually complaining about ppl playing a game together with their friends to have fun? Just wow. How is it any different than when two ppl play on one phone in a room for example? Smh...
Each turn can be played only in a unique way, decided by the owner of the account: it's not like they are playing a double strategy at the same time.
Most importantly, they don't have any information about the opponent, and it's not a Tournament where irl rewards are involved, so it's not cheating at all.
Just spending some playtime together with extra insights that the public may actually appreciate.
Its really only questionable if they would be stream sniping or etc.
Short answer no what they're doing is fine. Its friends supporting and entertaining one another in a game that honestly can be dull do to redundancy of things.
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
All streams would have to be stopped if it was cheating because streamers have thousands that watch them and can comment on any plays made or to be made. There is nothing wrong at all with helping people see between the lines in non-tournament matches even if ladder can help you accumulate points towards future spots in tournaments. If someone has a problem with it then the only thing i can say is get good. Their plays aren't affecting your decisions.
Lol are you actually complaining about ppl playing a game together with their friends to have fun? Just wow. How is it any different than when two ppl play on one phone in a room for example? Smh...
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Is what Zalae, Purple and others do considered cheating or not? They sit on a call together and while on live ladder talk over how to play the opponent that one guy is playing. So it's principly a "Team" versus one. Just asking as it seems really poor form and questionable at best to be legit.
Good question. But seeing as they do this live on twitch semi-regularly, it can't be against any rules. If it were, they would have had consequences by now. And incidentally, they don't really get any extra help from the other person. They are all plenty good enough on their own to win the same matches.
Edit: Ironically, they might actually lose more matches by doing this, due to devoting their attention to their conversation and game both, rather than focusing on optimizing their gameplay only.
Edit #2: technically all streamers can be playing as a "team" if their chatters are even remotely helpful or skilled at playing. But all streamers can also be "stream sniped," so it balances out. Verbally communicating with other players is not actually different from chat communicating with them, though it might seem like it.
I don’t see a problem with it. They are friends playing a game together. I’ve had friends watch me and give me tips and vice versa. Also they are hilarious entertainment.
I don't know if I think it's cheating, unless there's some knowledge passed on that the actually player wouldn't know. For example if the other player was being watched, then commenting on their cards in hand would be cheating.
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Let's be real: it's an advantage in only the highest level of play only. It's not the huge advantage to have a think-tank twerk team that some might believe lol.
It's not cheating unless one of them has information about their opponent's hand and is giving that info to the person playing. Often I feel like they are trying to help each other learn or hone their skills with a certain deck/class/matchup. It's similar to pro athletes going to practice, or studying game film with the exception of this is happening in a live ladder environment for their e-sport.
I'm sure if it was a problem, Blizzard would have said something already and stopped the situation. But also, I feel like there are probably more pro players that practice in a similar fashion with teammates while off stream. So how would you regulate that if Blizzard did think it was an issue? They already seem to have difficulty enforcing rules about win trading even when they know about it.
I don't disagree but it's why I pose the question. The player actually playing the game misses something or misses the most optimal play and someone in his call corrects him. How is that fair to the people that are playing against them? This is less accusatory and more a discussion that merits being had.
I feel it's just something that I've noticed that didn't feel...Kosher. If that makes any sense. It's incredibly hard to enforce and Blizz never enforces anyway I agree. Just wanted to see because I know that when I queue up I am queuing up to play someone 1 v 1. 3 v 1 feels like a marginally stacked deck. Where they are able to work out the most optimal play because three sets of eyes or four are better than one.
This is just something that can happen when playing a digital card game, whether on stream or off stream. It's totally fine, since anyone could do it if they have friends who also play the game. If you want perfect fairness, you have to play in a tournament. And again, by streaming their matches, they open themselves up to actual cheaters, who can snipe the stream and have perfect knowledge of their hand and their plans. So, even if it's an advantage, it balances out with the disadvantage of streaming in the first place.
It's no cheating at all, unless they would know the opponents hand and give it out to the player. Or would you consider cheating if somebody is playing together locally (brother, sister, wife, husband)?
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I think all streamers look at their chat and might receive "help" or "tips" on something they might have missed. Ultimately all of those people are some of the best in the world....in the long run does it really matter?
I get it, but as others have pointed out too, any player who is streaming, even if they only have a handful of people in their chat, will have suggestions in chat to help them find the best play.
And in some cases, having multiple people giving their opinion causes these streamers to make mistakes as well because they disagree with the other person/people on the stream with them and get something wrong. I guess it comes down to how often you are being matched up against people who are playing with friends as compared to playing alone. And I feel it's probably so minimal it barely makes a difference in the big picture.
As a new player, I find Zalae discussing play with Purple, Firebat quite helpful.
Analyzing different lines, playing around certain cards.
Hope they continue to do it.
Additionally, their opponents could just open his Twitch stream to see his hands, if they so desired.
So yeah, I guess it's a win-win for all parties involved.
Lol are you actually complaining about ppl playing a game together with their friends to have fun? Just wow. How is it any different than when two ppl play on one phone in a room for example? Smh...
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Each turn can be played only in a unique way, decided by the owner of the account: it's not like they are playing a double strategy at the same time.
Most importantly, they don't have any information about the opponent, and it's not a Tournament where irl rewards are involved, so it's not cheating at all.
Just spending some playtime together with extra insights that the public may actually appreciate.
I enjoy their streams together because it's equal parts advice on how to improve and equal parts "make this memey play because it'll be hilarious'.
Its really only questionable if they would be stream sniping or etc.
Short answer no what they're doing is fine. Its friends supporting and entertaining one another in a game that honestly can be dull do to redundancy of things.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Having friends is cheating... Blizz ban friends asap or I quit playing!
Really?...
All streams would have to be stopped if it was cheating because streamers have thousands that watch them and can comment on any plays made or to be made. There is nothing wrong at all with helping people see between the lines in non-tournament matches even if ladder can help you accumulate points towards future spots in tournaments. If someone has a problem with it then the only thing i can say is get good. Their plays aren't affecting your decisions.
This.