You could just play non-cube control lock, especially if you have Rin. It's worse against control priest but very favored vs cubelock itself and has the same good matchups vs aggro. People with non-cube warlock actually performed better in seatstory cup. Both types of controlocks turned out to be huge hitters, but with priest banned, the non-cube controlocks beat the cubelocks and were left up to sweep series
yes. you can use 2 x faceless manipulator if you have those though, just doesn't get you the 25 damage on turn 10. Prince taldaram is good in this deck as well.
also cubes can be used in cntrl lock as well without spiritsinger or any of that, you just make a voidlord factory.
No, there are far better cards, just play the more control oriented version, which is almost the same list but it doesn't run umbra and it just runs stuff like Rin or Medivh instead, even without umbra you can burst for 15 on turn 6 which is pretty solid still, or you can just play controlock without cubes which is still incredibly powerful, I went from rank 17 to rank 8 with only 2 loses with my Controlock just yesterday, people is so focused on beating the cubes that they forget that a good Controlock just shuts down a lot of the meta decks rn.
If u have Prince Taldaram, u can use him and second Dark Pact as a replacement for Spiritsinger Umbra in the 25dmg combo. It will require one more card, but will cost the same amount of mana, so thats one possibility :)
Other than that, u can just play more control oriented (even with cubes) WL as others suggested.
No, there are far better cards, just play the more control oriented version, which is almost the same list but it doesn't run umbra and it just runs stuff like Rin or Medivh instead, even without umbra you can burst for 15 on turn 6 which is pretty solid still, or you can just play controlock without cubes which is still incredibly powerful, I went from rank 17 to rank 8 with only 2 loses with my Controlock just yesterday, people is so focused on beating the cubes that they forget that a good Controlock just shuts down a lot of the meta decks rn.
What decks though? All is see is priest, mage and paladin. Warlock loses to 2 of those classes, but maybe i'm just unlucky with getting the right matchups.
Warlock farms paladins all day and against Tempo mage Cube is bad but Classic control is more solid to the point the mage needs an insanely strong start to have a chance, if you get the lackeys down on 5 and then you have some healing in mistress, spellstone and siphon soul you're golden, the mage just runs out of gas and if they already have aluneth on they'll just fatigue super easily, as for priest well, if it's straight up cycle highlander then you lose 95% of the times just cause of match-up, if it's dragon or keleseth highlander then you have enough heal and walls to outvalue them (At least with the list I'm playing). I can give you the list I'm running if you want to, I climbed from rank 17 to 8 yesterday with only 3 loses, 2 to Highlander cycle priest (As I said that match-up is just unwinnable, Highlander priest is just better in long games than any control/slow deck that can be made) and then to a Tempo Rogue cause my hand was Void Lord Void Lord Gul'dan and Twisting Nether and then got a Siphon Soul so I could not do a thing for like the first 5 turns so he just overwhelmed me, face a decent number of tempo secret mages and never even came close to losing.
If u have Prince Taldaram, u can use him and second Dark Pact as a replacement for Spiritsinger Umbra in the 25dmg combo. It will require one more card, but will cost the same amount of mana, so thats one possibility :)
Other than that, u can just play more control oriented (even with cubes) WL as others suggested.
both are optimal really. I don't have prince yet though.
do you think it would be more sensible to open KOTFT in hopes of opening the card, or maybe open ungoro packs instead in hopes of getting bits for dragon priest from there (as I see most of the cards are actually from that set) and then dusting stuff to just craft prince taldaram instead as theres probably less I actually want from the KOFT throne packs for decks I fancy playing at the minute. Just Gnomeferatu would be nice to round out my control-lock tech options.
also 2 x faceless manipulators would be cool to have as options for cube decks as well given that it's neutral. ha ha. That is classic though, right? (I had one as well, and dusted it not so long ago as I didn't think you could copy a cube that had the death rattle activated.. kicking myself for not just trying it out for myself now)
If u have Prince Taldaram, u can use him and second Dark Pact as a replacement for Spiritsinger Umbra in the 25dmg combo. It will require one more card, but will cost the same amount of mana, so thats one possibility :)
Other than that, u can just play more control oriented (even with cubes) WL as others suggested.
both are optimal really. I don't have prince yet though.
do you think it would be more sensible to open KOTFT in hopes of opening the card, or maybe open ungoro packs instead in hopes of getting bits for dragon priest from there (as I see most of the cards are actually from that set) and then dusting stuff to just craft prince taldaram instead as theres probably less I actually want from the KOFT throne packs for decks I fancy playing at the minute. Just Gnomeferatu would be nice to round out my control-lock tech options.
also 2 x faceless manipulators would be cool to have as options for cube decks as well given that it's neutral. ha ha. That is classic though, right? (I had one as well, and dusted it not so long ago as I didn't think you could copy a cube that had the death rattle activated.. kicking myself for not just trying it out for myself now)
Well, i guess Taldaram and Umbra are used in about as many decks (hint: not many lol :p). So it would probably depend on if u need more cards from KFT or UnGoro, since opening packs just to try and get a specific legendary is a very very very (did i say very?) bad idea ;-) Unless u have like 90% of legendaries from the set and u can try and take advantage of the no dupplicate rule.
Faceless Manipulators r cute, but u cannot do the "OTK" combo with them, 5-cost is too much, u would have only 4 mana left (for umbra or taldaram+pact) cause u need cube+pact=6 mana for the other part of the combo. So if u dont have umbra or taldaram, u cannot do the combo in one turn and in that case i dont think its even worth pursuing and u should shift your deck to a more control oriented style. With that said, facelesses r probably not as good anymore, since they would "just" provide additional value (but the cube would have to survive or not be silenced etc, which might be a problem), so u might as well just put some other control tools in the deck instead. Probably shift it towards DK Guldan/Nzoth plays ;-)
If u have Prince Taldaram, u can use him and second Dark Pact as a replacement for Spiritsinger Umbra in the 25dmg combo. It will require one more card, but will cost the same amount of mana, so thats one possibility :)
Other than that, u can just play more control oriented (even with cubes) WL as others suggested.
both are optimal really. I don't have prince yet though.
do you think it would be more sensible to open KOTFT in hopes of opening the card, or maybe open ungoro packs instead in hopes of getting bits for dragon priest from there (as I see most of the cards are actually from that set) and then dusting stuff to just craft prince taldaram instead as theres probably less I actually want from the KOFT throne packs for decks I fancy playing at the minute. Just Gnomeferatu would be nice to round out my control-lock tech options.
also 2 x faceless manipulators would be cool to have as options for cube decks as well given that it's neutral. ha ha. That is classic though, right? (I had one as well, and dusted it not so long ago as I didn't think you could copy a cube that had the death rattle activated.. kicking myself for not just trying it out for myself now)
Well, i guess Taldaram and Umbra are used in about as many decks (hint: not many lol :p). So it would probably depend on if u need more cards from KFT or UnGoro, since opening packs just to try and get a specific legendary is a very very very (did i say very?) bad idea ;-) Unless u have like 90% of legendaries from the set and u can try and take advantage of the no dupplicate rule.
Faceless Manipulators r cute, but u cannot do the "OTK" combo with them, 5-cost is too much, u would have only 4 mana left (for umbra or taldaram+pact) cause u need cube+pact=6 mana for the other part of the combo. So if u dont have umbra or taldaram, u cannot do the combo in one turn and in that case i dont think its even worth pursuing and u should shift your deck to a more control oriented style. With that said, facelesses r probably not as good anymore, since they would "just" provide additional value (but the cube would have to survive or not be silenced etc, which might be a problem), so u might as well just put some other control tools in the deck instead. Probably shift it towards DK Guldan/Nzoth plays ;-)
thanks dude. my curent cube deck with doomguard in it is actually a control hybrid. well it is a hybrid of my own own control deck at the moment at least in that it's like a void lord factory.
My doomguard and voidlord decks together is pretty much my own cubelock. it's crazy how often you actually get the combo in a warlock deck due to the draw as well though. Just really starting to gain my footing with the deck, but the 2 styles compliment each other pretty well I feel.
I guess everyone has their own spin on things. I mean the doomguard/cube idea has been around since the expansion dropped, they added umbra later and it just keeps evolving. has even caused an outbrake in spellbreakers as the dominant tech card in decks.
I have Spiritsinger Umbra in my cubelock deck and honestly very rarely get any value out of it. I would substitute something else. Maybe a spellbreaker to silence something.
I have Spiritsinger Umbra in my cubelock deck and honestly very rarely get any value out of it. I would substitute something else. Maybe a spellbreaker to silence something.
I find I get to use it a lot. I mean we have a lot of draw and if you're stalling out the game anyway to fish for an alternate victory as well as combo pieces. often you end up with all the pieces anyway.
I don't know, I mean you can get robbed. if you have an alternate win condition or 2 though then you can often stall long enough to either win anyway, or get what you need to create enough doomguards to win.
I've found I get the spiritsinger combo more than I have gotten combos in other decks like patron warrior.
I have Spiritsinger Umbra in my cubelock deck and honestly very rarely get any value out of it. I would substitute something else. Maybe a spellbreaker to silence something.
I find I get to use it a lot. I mean we have a lot of draw and if you're stalling out the game anyway to fish for an alternate victory as well as combo pieces. often you end up with all the pieces anyway.
I don't know, I mean you can get robbed. if you have an alternate win condition or 2 though then you can often stall long enough to either win anyway, or get what you need to create enough doomguards to win.
I've found I get the spiritsinger combo more than I have gotten combos in other decks like patron warrior.
I guess maybe cause I don't play this deck with only the OTK in mind. I just play whatever best suits the situation and what's in my hand. But I've got a 80% winrate with the deck so I guess I'm not doing too bad with it! lol
Skull of the man'ari + Umbra + Cube allows you to generate 6+ doomguard pretty easily. Then you can just OTK with Bloodreaver Gul'dan. And this deck doesn't run Voidlord so you can find room for umbra.
So yes she's absolutely worth it in this deck. But this deck is probably weaker than pure control Warlock with voidlords and shit
Actually most DO run Voidlord. Mine has it and I have an 80% winrate with it.
Skull of the man'ari + Umbra + Cube allows you to generate 6+ doomguard pretty easily. Then you can just OTK with Bloodreaver Gul'dan. And this deck doesn't run Voidlord so you can find room for umbra.
So yes she's absolutely worth it in this deck. But this deck is probably weaker than pure control Warlock with voidlords and shit
Actually most DO run Voidlord. Mine has it and I have an 80% winrate with it.
mine is a total hybrid between doomguard and voidlord factories. Did you try prince taladram? wondering if the card is worth the craft. I like the options it gives you in the deck, so probably will. Just wondering if it's really worth crafting though.
I've played a lot of games with cubelock from rank 5 to 2, and honestly Umbra is mostly used as a pseudo taunt against aggro decks. It's very few games I've utilized the ability to gain value.
I don't play taldaram in my deck. I've substituted him for Stonehill Defender to fair better against aggro decks. I am considering cutting Umbra for Golakka Crawler because I mainly face aggro decks.
She's not essential to the same extent as Gul'dan, the cubes or possessed lackey, but she does improve your burst potential by a lot. I played the deck for a while without her, and could still manage to get to rank 5 until I said "fuck it" and crafted her. So far, she has proven useful in some match ups, but it's not like the deck needs her.
TL;DR The deck is perfectly fine without it, but if you do have it, you definitely run it in the optimal version.
So in your opinion she is an better option for crafting than Prince?
If you can pull the combo off Umbra is definately more impactful as she provides immediate value rather than delayed value. However, you need to consider what decks you face the most. If aggro decks (secret mage, tempo rogue, aggro paladin, murloc paladin etc) is your most frequent opponent you are better off adding golakka crawler or Stonehill defender defender as you won't have the time to pull off the combo.
Umbra requires some circumstances to work: - Either she needs to survive a round while you have Skull of the Man'ari equipped, at the start of the next turn you summon a doomguard while you have the cube in hand. - A demon survives a round and then you can play Umbra + cube (9 mana) to summon to more of doom guard or voidlord. Possessed Lackey can help here but that requires you e.g. haven't all four demons (and it happens).
Point being: it is not an easy combo and since aggro decks is prevalent at the moment it is very hard to pull off as you are spending most of your time trying to stall and survive till you can play voidlord.
what is the best use for taldaram? cloning the cube? the voidlord or maybe even Umbra?
i dusted him, and then i was lucky enough to get him again from a brawl pack the other day. :D
Cube or voidlord, but Depending on the circumstances I've also cloned a manatide totem, a mountain giant and then silenced him, doom guard then silence, or just some random dude. Turns out an extra mountain giant is pretty good. you don't always have to use him as part of the combo. Plus they'll usually ignore him as a doom guard or mountain giant are much more threatening... BTW I play a handlock version
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I heard many good opinions on this deck. Spiritsinger Umbra gives a huge value but is she worth crafting only to play this deck?
You could just play non-cube control lock, especially if you have Rin. It's worse against control priest but very favored vs cubelock itself and has the same good matchups vs aggro. People with non-cube warlock actually performed better in seatstory cup. Both types of controlocks turned out to be huge hitters, but with priest banned, the non-cube controlocks beat the cubelocks and were left up to sweep series
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well....it certainly looks good. Also Umbra might see more play in the future thanks to the cube synergy
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yes. you can use 2 x faceless manipulator if you have those though, just doesn't get you the 25 damage on turn 10. Prince taldaram is good in this deck as well.
also cubes can be used in cntrl lock as well without spiritsinger or any of that, you just make a voidlord factory.
No, there are far better cards, just play the more control oriented version, which is almost the same list but it doesn't run umbra and it just runs stuff like Rin or Medivh instead, even without umbra you can burst for 15 on turn 6 which is pretty solid still, or you can just play controlock without cubes which is still incredibly powerful, I went from rank 17 to rank 8 with only 2 loses with my Controlock just yesterday, people is so focused on beating the cubes that they forget that a good Controlock just shuts down a lot of the meta decks rn.
If u have Prince Taldaram, u can use him and second Dark Pact as a replacement for Spiritsinger Umbra in the 25dmg combo. It will require one more card, but will cost the same amount of mana, so thats one possibility :)
Other than that, u can just play more control oriented (even with cubes) WL as others suggested.
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do you think it would be more sensible to open KOTFT in hopes of opening the card, or maybe open ungoro packs instead in hopes of getting bits for dragon priest from there (as I see most of the cards are actually from that set) and then dusting stuff to just craft prince taldaram instead as theres probably less I actually want from the KOFT throne packs for decks I fancy playing at the minute. Just Gnomeferatu would be nice to round out my control-lock tech options.
also 2 x faceless manipulators would be cool to have as options for cube decks as well given that it's neutral. ha ha. That is classic though, right? (I had one as well, and dusted it not so long ago as I didn't think you could copy a cube that had the death rattle activated.. kicking myself for not just trying it out for myself now)
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My doomguard and voidlord decks together is pretty much my own cubelock. it's crazy how often you actually get the combo in a warlock deck due to the draw as well though. Just really starting to gain my footing with the deck, but the 2 styles compliment each other pretty well I feel.
I guess everyone has their own spin on things. I mean the doomguard/cube idea has been around since the expansion dropped, they added umbra later and it just keeps evolving. has even caused an outbrake in spellbreakers as the dominant tech card in decks.
here is mine anyway. I would like prince as well for some more crazy copying action, but this will do for now.
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1003849-doom-cube-void-lock-hybrid
I have Spiritsinger Umbra in my cubelock deck and honestly very rarely get any value out of it. I would substitute something else. Maybe a spellbreaker to silence something.
I don't know, I mean you can get robbed. if you have an alternate win condition or 2 though then you can often stall long enough to either win anyway, or get what you need to create enough doomguards to win.
I've found I get the spiritsinger combo more than I have gotten combos in other decks like patron warrior.
I've played a lot of games with cubelock from rank 5 to 2, and honestly Umbra is mostly used as a pseudo taunt against aggro decks. It's very few games I've utilized the ability to gain value.
I don't play taldaram in my deck. I've substituted him for Stonehill Defender to fair better against aggro decks. I am considering cutting Umbra for Golakka Crawler because I mainly face aggro decks.
She's not essential to the same extent as Gul'dan, the cubes or possessed lackey, but she does improve your burst potential by a lot. I played the deck for a while without her, and could still manage to get to rank 5 until I said "fuck it" and crafted her. So far, she has proven useful in some match ups, but it's not like the deck needs her.
TL;DR The deck is perfectly fine without it, but if you do have it, you definitely run it in the optimal version.
- Either she needs to survive a round while you have Skull of the Man'ari equipped, at the start of the next turn you summon a doomguard while you have the cube in hand.
- A demon survives a round and then you can play Umbra + cube (9 mana) to summon to more of doom guard or voidlord. Possessed Lackey can help here but that requires you e.g. haven't all four demons (and it happens).
Point being: it is not an easy combo and since aggro decks is prevalent at the moment it is very hard to pull off as you are spending most of your time trying to stall and survive till you can play voidlord.