Hey, where is everyone? Oh, right – this is the Rogue forum, so it must be empty because this is the class that gets only useless garbage pieces of shit as "cards". This class is a joke.
See the class legendary. A huckster that costs 1 more for +1 HP. You are fine with being treated worst then a dog ? Maybe you like it being spit in your face constantly and having to wipe the ass of Ben Brode ? Is it your ambition in your life, wiping his disgusting ass ?
And to open the wound again, Blizzard is promoting a tavern braw where the theme is Valeera burgling people -_-
How do you think people perceive rogue with this kind of pitiful shows ? "The class that is about randomness and gimmicks".
I used to be a multi legend rogue main, before the flurry nerf.
You know what, when people saw a rogue in the old days they thought "here is probably a smart and very skilled player". And that's not only in Hearthstone, in WOW Vanilla also Rogue was THE class of skilled people who can outsmart and out-mechanic other players.
You know what people think when they see a rogue now ? "Here is a child that tries to do gimmicks. I guess they play rogue because they like the looks of Valeera since nobody inteligent would try to play rogue anyway""
Blizzard has not only ruined rogue with his nerfs over time (most nerfed class since alpha by far), but them pushing gimmicks like burgle or curve-stone rogue with raptors has also ruined our reputation.
People no longer see us as being worth something. . Rogue is a sinking shipwreck. This is not the skilled class, this is the piece of shit class.
Now enjoy Brode laughting manically about us and telling us to find the next unicorn rogue. Enjoy being mocked by every sensible person as the "has-been retards" trying to play gimmicks and think we are worth something.
That's what you get when you aren't loud and vocal, and don't riot to defend your rights. You get stripped from all your stuff and exploited like slaves.
ROGUE MAINS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE !
ROGUE LIFES MATTER !
WE NEED TO RISE UP NOW AND HARD !
WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH TO BE TREATED LIKE DOGS !
WE WANT A NEW DESIGNER TEAM !
WE WANT TO BE GREAT AGAIN !
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Edit : Quoting a recent answer of mine to explain to non rogue players our situation
Rogue players are such whiners. When they print counterfeit coin it all "why does blizz print cards only for miracle wtf" but then they release jade golem or burgle cards and its all "blizz so stupid rogue cant use these kinds of cards" Rogue has always been fine and the healing complainers dont seem to understand that the meta has very little burst atm,its about board control and tempo.
There are different kinds of rogue players this is why.
"Old school" rogue players are combo players interested in outsmarting people and using their skill to pull of crazy wins. They thrive on being the best and showing it to everybody by playing the hardest class. And they want to be seen as competent when playing rogue, they hate it that rogue is looking more and more like a "random based gimmick class for kids" which is what this burgle tavern brawl is giving as impression to new players.
Then there are the people who picked up rogue later on, for different reasons entirely. This thing is that Blizzard has carefully worked on suppressing Miracle and true combo rogue decks (since alpha we get nerfs in this direction) while pushing "on curve" rogue decks like raptor and also random non serious and non skill based rogue decks like "burgle".
Now, the people who got into rogue for these reasons feel that their archetype should get more support and they don't wanna play full combo skill based decks and they feel that really the "old school" players are throwing a tantrum for nothing, while the "old school" rogue players which I'm part of, are getting mad that their class is being turned more and more into a casino-fest and they demand that the combo rogue archetype (the real rogue) be made great again.
That's basically why you will see very varied opnions from current rogue players, going from complete hostility to Blizard's current rogue policy to satisfaction for getting a new "burgle legendary".
I'm quoting a post in this thread that I find is the most clear explanation of our situation :
Ain't you guys rage when you read this from Dean ayala?
Q: So is Blade Furry going to stay a 4 mana card? Because it seems to me if you're going to cater to niche decks with these types of cards (Ferryman, Purify), it seems reasonable to print a board clear that caters to control rogue decks. A: We don't have any plans to change Blade Flurry, I would be quite surprised if it ever changed. The future of Rogue is likely to include very weak AoE or life gain and very strong single target removal and card draw.
I would like to ask, because maybe I'm not seeing it and someone would find the answer. What does Rogue have that other classes don't ?
Card draw : I often hear that Rogue draw a lot ... I don't think it's true. Rogue relies only on Gadgetzan Auctioneer (a neutral card) to draw, and absolutely needs tons of cheap spells (often dead draws) to fonction. Warlock and Warrior have a far better card draw IMHO, and I would say only Hunter is really in a worse position.
Minions : Well, Rogue minions are among the weakest (bodies and effects) in the game. I'd say only Mage has weaker minions.
Removals : I don't think Rogue has more removals than Mage or Warrior, or even Shaman. Rogue is in a good state here, but not the best.
Survivability : Rogue is the worst class for the survivability part. There is only Hunter with as few survivability, but they don't care since Hunter tries to win fast.
AoE : No good AoE for Rogue, the other bad class on this point is Hunter, but I think Unleash the Hounds is stronger than Fan of Knives.
Burst : Rogue can deliver a big burst thanks to Gadgetzan Auctioneer, Leeroy Jenkins or Malygos (all neutral cards ...). But once again, classes like Warrior, Mage, Druid (that has a stronger Malygos deck) Shaman and even Hunter can burst as much as Rogue do.
Weapons : absolutely no good weapon for Rogue, no weapon synergy whatsoever (wtf is that hero power ? No synergy !) while Shaman, Warrior and Hunter get good weapons/synergies.
Cancer : well, when is the last time Rogue dominated the ladder with a cancer deck ? I mean, an ultra-aggro-face deck like Face Shaman, Face Hunter, Eboladin, Pirate Warrior ? Even aggro Druid and Mage are stronger. That's a good thing actually.
Tempo : once again a term often used to speak about Rogue, thanks to Backstab, SI:7 Agent, Eviscerate and Sap ... and that's all. No other tempo card, and you can see they are all from the Classic set. But yes Rogue can deliver good tempo, but has not the minions to push for a tempo deck (meanwhile, Shaman, Mage, Paladin, Warrior and Hunter are having fun).
Decks : Rogue can't play control, we all know that. Aggro is bad, midrange is bad. We are left with combo decks for ... forever actually. And even then, we have decks like Patron Warrior, Malygos Druid or maybe Freeze Mage that are stronger.
Tag decks : and by this I mean "Decks with a particular tag", like Beast Druid or Dragon Priest. Well, for Rogue, no Beast synergy, no Dragon synergy, no Murloc synergy, and less Pirate synergy than Warrior. Too bad.
Strong legendaries : hey Edwin VanCleef, you must feel alone here.
Class identity : stealing random cards ? Priest do it better. Stealth ? Not enough cards, only shitty cards anyway. Combo ? Weak mechanics. Aaaand that's all.
Ok, I'm still looking for other points, maybe you can help me. But for what I've said, you can see that Rogue has NO identity. According to Team 5, they cannot get AoE or life gain because it's not their identity. But there is NOTHING a Rogue does better than any other class. Card draw ? Makes Warlock laugh. Single target removal ? Warrior, Shaman and Mage please.
While typing this it looks like Hunter is in a bad state too. I would agree, except that Hunter has some identity : Beast synergy, Deathrattle synergy, and Face Synergy. It's not that good anyway.
Folks we really need to stay on the issue and lobby Blizzard to get a fair treatment. Not doing anything and waiting isn't gonna work. See they still consider flurry fine as it is. Since the flurry nerf rogue doesn't feel completly "rogue anymore". It's just a shadow of its former self. We could prep sprint draw mass cards, prepare a combo with weapon buffs and then take back the initiative and seriously threaten lethal with flurry plays. And this had counter plays, taunts would cause us to deal much elss damage (they block the first weapon attack), weapon destruction would cause us to loose. Not only that, but it was hard drawing all those cards and pulling a proper combo. Some people try to deny our rights by pretending that we were too OP before standart format arrived. But remember, it was the time where druids could deal 14 damage from hand with 2 cards, or deal 34 (!!!) damage in one turn with 4 cards in hand if they had only two 1/1 on the board (force of nature, innervate, x2 savage roar = 34 damage). Flurry was our safety net against all the zoos and midrangey garbage trying to dump their hand and go face-face-face. We need something like that, and flurry was great because it gave us a reason to care about our hero power synergy, while we have none now, and it was a board clear "in parts" which allowed it to be flexible concerning the usage.
Devs are more stubborn then donkeys and more partial then hungry hyenas so we need to keep lobbying as much as possible. I would like to see flurry back the most out of any change. Keep lobbying to improve our situation ! Be as vocal as possible and present a common front to Blizzard so they see their Hearthstone devs as failing to keep consumer satisfaction.
Rogue isn't even that bad right now. Sure, it's tier 2 or 3, but you can still win most of your games if you draw and play well. Earlier today, I beat some Tempo Mages and Zoo with Miracle.
Someone needs to lay off the booze. I know it's Thanksgiving but that was a bit over the top lulz... it's a card game not human rights. No one is being exploited or murdered for anything. Also, not all the cards have been revealed yet. It's a bit early for all the doom and gloom.
I still play a lot of Dragon Rogue of the last few months. No Shaman win rates but still does well and a lot of fun to play. We aren't dead and I am looking forward to the Jade Golems and Aya Blackpaw.
I never understood having a "main" in hearthstone. my "main" would be priest I guess, I really liked it at a certain point and reached gold first with....but it doesn't prevent me to play other classes if I find them fun
Currently loving anything paly, control shaman, Reno lock...
I would agree a bit more with you, except you're assuming way too much here. Also, if I find a rogue player at higher ranks, I'd still assume they'd be pretty good at the game.
Also, as to everyone upset at the new Rogue archetypes, you really have no reason to complain because many of you were probably the people who were also complaining about only having a singular archetype to play for Rogue.
We need to cry on forums very loud for blizzard to hear us. Then maybe we can get shaman-priest op cards treatment. Also i'm very dissappointed that they just throw out awesome combo mechanic to push that burgle gimmick...
Amen. I wouldn't have said that better. They are just killing the spirit of the class... it's like pushing for a face warrior everytime instead of control. The difference is that at least face warrior also works out.
Isn't sneaky panda ninja jade burgling naruto shit enough of a rich and fulfilling identity to you you greedy ungrateful bastard? Can't you just STFU and play the amazing OP counterfeit thing guys specifically "printed" for you?...
Picky rogues FFS, maybe move to jade miracle druid and stop crying?...
Isn't sneaky panda ninja jade burgling naruto shit enough of a rich and fulfilling identity to you you greedy ungrateful bastard? Can't you just STFU and play the amazing OP counterfeit thing guys specifically "printed" for you?...
Picky rogues FFS, maybe move to jade miracle druid and stop crying?...
The problem with rogue is that you need a brain to win... It is far from bad, it just needs you to play it perfectly. Choose a more suited main, like shaman maybe...
Isn't sneaky panda ninja jade burgling naruto shit enough of a rich and fulfilling identity to you you greedy ungrateful bastard? Can't you just STFU and play the amazing OP counterfeit thing guys specifically "printed" for you?...
Picky rogues FFS, maybe move to jade miracle druid and stop crying?...
One weak ass card is rich and fulfilling?
Dude, dude, be a smart rogue and read betwen the lines.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
need take time to make new pic and signature using the new cards.
Hey, where is everyone? Oh, right – this is the Rogue forum, so it must be empty because this is the class that gets only useless garbage pieces of shit as "cards". This class is a joke.
See the class legendary. A huckster that costs 1 more for +1 HP. You are fine with being treated worst then a dog ? Maybe you like it being spit in your face constantly and having to wipe the ass of Ben Brode ? Is it your ambition in your life, wiping his disgusting ass ?
And to open the wound again, Blizzard is promoting a tavern braw where the theme is Valeera burgling people -_-
How do you think people perceive rogue with this kind of pitiful shows ? "The class that is about randomness and gimmicks".
I used to be a multi legend rogue main, before the flurry nerf.
You know what, when people saw a rogue in the old days they thought "here is probably a smart and very skilled player". And that's not only in Hearthstone, in WOW Vanilla also Rogue was THE class of skilled people who can outsmart and out-mechanic other players.
You know what people think when they see a rogue now ? "Here is a child that tries to do gimmicks. I guess they play rogue because they like the looks of Valeera since nobody inteligent would try to play rogue anyway""
Blizzard has not only ruined rogue with his nerfs over time (most nerfed class since alpha by far), but them pushing gimmicks like burgle or curve-stone rogue with raptors has also ruined our reputation.
People no longer see us as being worth something. . Rogue is a sinking shipwreck. This is not the skilled class, this is the piece of shit class.
Now enjoy Brode laughting manically about us and telling us to find the next unicorn rogue. Enjoy being mocked by every sensible person as the "has-been retards" trying to play gimmicks and think we are worth something.
That's what you get when you aren't loud and vocal, and don't riot to defend your rights. You get stripped from all your stuff and exploited like slaves.
ROGUE MAINS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE !
ROGUE LIFES MATTER !
WE NEED TO RISE UP NOW AND HARD !
WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH TO BE TREATED LIKE DOGS !
WE WANT A NEW DESIGNER TEAM !
WE WANT TO BE GREAT AGAIN !
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Edit : Quoting a recent answer of mine to explain to non rogue players our situation
Seems ok.
Rogue isn't even that bad right now. Sure, it's tier 2 or 3, but you can still win most of your games if you draw and play well. Earlier today, I beat some Tempo Mages and Zoo with Miracle.
Shaku, the Collector gave me the Plague
We are better than paladins, at least. Too bad priest got the best out of MSG.
Someone needs to lay off the booze. I know it's Thanksgiving but that was a bit over the top lulz... it's a card game not human rights. No one is being exploited or murdered for anything. Also, not all the cards have been revealed yet. It's a bit early for all the doom and gloom.
Excuse me but in vanilla wow rogues were total bullshit with their infinite stuns would fuck you up while you just had to sit their helpless
but everything else I agree with
I still play a lot of Dragon Rogue of the last few months. No Shaman win rates but still does well and a lot of fun to play. We aren't dead and I am looking forward to the Jade Golems and Aya Blackpaw.
I never understood having a "main" in hearthstone. my "main" would be priest I guess, I really liked it at a certain point and reached gold first with....but it doesn't prevent me to play other classes if I find them fun
Currently loving anything paly, control shaman, Reno lock...
So who cares
I would agree a bit more with you, except you're assuming way too much here. Also, if I find a rogue player at higher ranks, I'd still assume they'd be pretty good at the game.
Also, as to everyone upset at the new Rogue archetypes, you really have no reason to complain because many of you were probably the people who were also complaining about only having a singular archetype to play for Rogue.
We need to cry on forums very loud for blizzard to hear us. Then maybe we can get shaman-priest op cards treatment. Also i'm very dissappointed that they just throw out awesome combo mechanic to push that burgle gimmick...
Amen. I wouldn't have said that better. They are just killing the spirit of the class... it's like pushing for a face warrior everytime instead of control. The difference is that at least face warrior also works out.
Isn't sneaky panda ninja jade burgling naruto shit enough of a rich and fulfilling identity to you you greedy ungrateful bastard? Can't you just STFU and play the amazing OP counterfeit thing guys specifically "printed" for you?...
Picky rogues FFS, maybe move to jade miracle druid and stop crying?...
Lol rise on up bro. I'm sure blizzard will be sad to see you go to ESL or Faeria.
If you want to role play, go play Wow. "Maining" a class in Hearthstone is a sure sign of an irrational person.
The problem with rogue is that you need a brain to win... It is far from bad, it just needs you to play it perfectly. Choose a more suited main, like shaman maybe...
need take time to make new pic and signature using the new cards.
At least you've been good in the past.
-Priest player
need take time to make new pic and signature using the new cards.
#MakeRogueGreatAgain
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