I desperately want to make Rogue work but my fucking goodness its like beating your head against a wall. They have bad matchups against every deck on ladder it seems. Your face gets blasted because thats one of your only ways to help clear minions. Your early game is atrocious. You have no AOE spells - Fan of Knives needs to do TWO damage to be any good. Geezus its impossible to win any games unles you get God-like draws and your opponents draws suck.
Ive been trying a Leeroy-based deck that also runs Yogg as another late game option and its driving me fucking crazy trying to get anywhere with it. Shamans and Hunters are automatic losses. Warriors are about 50/50 at best. Mage is automatic loss. Priest is an OK matchup but no one runs priest. Zoo Puke Warlock is an automatic loss. I dont see how Malygos is any better either - you still need to survive against these cancerous, brainless decks that just flood the board and or beat your face to death in 4-5 turns.
WHY doesnt Rogue ever get any good cards? Why did they murder Blade Fury? Just delete the class if you are going to treat it so poorly. Let it die in peace. Geezus Effing Crust. Maybe its just this awful meta of the same 3 decks thats ruining it? I dunno. UGH.
So what's the count for threads where you complain about rogue up to now?
200?
It's always funny to see your post history, mostly you getting your complaining threads locked and spamming the salty thread where you spend most of your time.
On a sidenote though, people have gotten top 10 legend with rogue recently. Also
Want the hard truth ? you simply aren't good enough to play Rogue, the class is fine. Maly rogue demolishes control decks, miracle has all-in potential to win against even the most agressive decks sometimes with Cleef/questing and is decent versus midrange/control. Sure, pure aggro is gonna have a field day with Rogue most of the time but they are rare on ladder, only deck that downright stomps you in the meta is secret Hunter and they're few.
Watch some streams of good Rogues like Shtan Udachi/Ryzen/Dog, play good lists and improve, don't cry on the forums.
Yep rogue is in a bad situation right now. In old days when I was playing against good rogues I was feeling hopeless but now it is easy to deal with I don't loose to any rogue anymore.
Yep rogue is in a bad situation right now. In old days when I was playing against good rogues I was feeling hopeless but now it is easy to deal with I don't loose to any rogue anymore.
Oh wow you beat rogues at rank 15, nice job man. Really hard to beat fatigue rogues lol.
Rogue isn't in a bad place though? It just takes time to think every move down. Like somebody before me said, you have MalyRogue that can dunk on control, you have Miracle which can go all in or even Deathrattle rogue where it's about as standard of a deck there is.
The problem with Rogue is that it's such a different class then most others. The combo mechanic requires a ton of thought before going all in, which a lot of people don't like doing in HS.
Miracle Rogue being the biggest offender of people that don't like to think. You guys would be surprised how well Miracle Rogue does in this meta. But just nobody wants to take the time to think out their every move and instead want to just throw fireball or lavashock at people's face for ez pz wins.
You just can't expect to make whatever half-assed rogue deck and hit legend with it. Even Deathrattle rogue is losing its popularity because it's too simple. Simple rogue decks just don't work. Which was proven by Blizzard in Gadgetzan in giving Rogues counterfeit coin instead of steal class this or deathrattle that.
If you're still hell bent on trying to make a simple Rogue deck then I'd recommend looking at some other sites for a strongish Tempo Rogue. It's pretty straight forward and it can get you to rank 10ish pretty easyish. Because unless you don't have the patience to play miracle rogue or MalyRogue, you're just going to have to stay at rank 15 with your class theif rogue
Rogue is not bad at all, some of the best players out there bring it regularly on tournaments and win a lot, and ever since Standard came out, including this "shaman meta", at least once per season someone took top 10 or better Legend with Rogue. It's just very hard to play and you shouldn't be too hard on yourself, just try to get better
Im sure you can have a lucky run - lets be honest here, its a card game so amazingly when you get good cards you tend to win more and when you get bad cards you tend to lose more. Not PHD level shit here, guys. Overall though, the class(at least the deck Im trying) has way too many dead cards in hand at the start. You are often down to 13-16 health and have barely played anything yet. There are NO comeback mechanisms at all. No good clears. No targeted minion removal other than Sap which sometimes can be a bad thing if you use it on a minion with a favorable battle cry efect. The combo synergy is great IF you can use it. Many times you are fighting for your dear life just trying to stay in the game so Si Agent has to be playd naked per se.
It has nothing to with being hard to play. People need to stop trying to "sell" everyone on the skill level of this game being high. It certainly is NOT.
I've been playing a lot of rogue recently because it was my second last class to get to gold, just priest remaining. Rogue is extremely powerful. I was about 50/50 vs shaman 70/30 vs Druid almost perfect vs priest, only 1 loss, 80/20 vs warriors 60/40 vs warlock 50/50 vs Mage 90/10 vs pally 50/50 ish against rogue and got stomped by hunters which I happened to run into a lot in the time it took to get my 89 wins that I needed. Hunter. Match up was probably 10/90 maybe a little more in his favour.. From rank 8-4 with maly rogue. Soooo you're just bad?
you've got some valid points but, the post is way too salty, tbh Blizzard needs to re-imagine Rogues because they are in a really weird place in the game, Blizzard hates burst and Combo and keeps nerfing it yet that's the only way Rogue can play to win games , then blizzard nerfs the working Rogue combo and someone discovers a way to make it work again, and blizzard nerfs it again, and the vicious cycle continues, then they try to push stuff like Burgle, and a Burgle archetype which is really fun and has been getting a lot of support, but is mre of a trolden only archetype, (and this is coming from someone that mains Ecaflip, a RNG bases class in Wakfu)
My first time legend was with rogue (miracle, in summer), recently got golden rogue class and I'm only a average player who likes think.
So I think if I can do it, anybody can play sucesfully rogue, only get soooo much time to master the deck than others out there and missplays have huge punishments.
If you don't like to think best plays, planificate next turns and strategy in general, play other deck haha.
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I desperately want to make Rogue work but my fucking goodness its like beating your head against a wall. They have bad matchups against every deck on ladder it seems. Your face gets blasted because thats one of your only ways to help clear minions. Your early game is atrocious. You have no AOE spells - Fan of Knives needs to do TWO damage to be any good. Geezus its impossible to win any games unles you get God-like draws and your opponents draws suck.
Ive been trying a Leeroy-based deck that also runs Yogg as another late game option and its driving me fucking crazy trying to get anywhere with it. Shamans and Hunters are automatic losses. Warriors are about 50/50 at best. Mage is automatic loss. Priest is an OK matchup but no one runs priest. Zoo Puke Warlock is an automatic loss. I dont see how Malygos is any better either - you still need to survive against these cancerous, brainless decks that just flood the board and or beat your face to death in 4-5 turns.
WHY doesnt Rogue ever get any good cards? Why did they murder Blade Fury? Just delete the class if you are going to treat it so poorly. Let it die in peace. Geezus Effing Crust. Maybe its just this awful meta of the same 3 decks thats ruining it? I dunno. UGH.
I win due to skill and lose due to bad RNG. :D
So what's the count for threads where you complain about rogue up to now?
200?
It's always funny to see your post history, mostly you getting your complaining threads locked and spamming the salty thread where you spend most of your time.
On a sidenote though, people have gotten top 10 legend with rogue recently. Also
https://twitter.com/chessdude123/status/788701615381291008
Maybe you should get good? Or yah, delete the class that got top 1 legend.
Or try playing one of your favorite decks, face hunter. It requires a lot less thought.
Prepare yourself
Links to the salt thread are coming
Want the hard truth ? you simply aren't good enough to play Rogue, the class is fine. Maly rogue demolishes control decks, miracle has all-in potential to win against even the most agressive decks sometimes with Cleef/questing and is decent versus midrange/control. Sure, pure aggro is gonna have a field day with Rogue most of the time but they are rare on ladder, only deck that downright stomps you in the meta is secret Hunter and they're few.
Watch some streams of good Rogues like Shtan Udachi/Ryzen/Dog, play good lists and improve, don't cry on the forums.
Don't worry about it OP, you're just bad.
Yep rogue is in a bad situation right now. In old days when I was playing against good rogues I was feeling hopeless but now it is easy to deal with I don't loose to any rogue anymore.
Rogue isn't in a bad place though? It just takes time to think every move down. Like somebody before me said, you have MalyRogue that can dunk on control, you have Miracle which can go all in or even Deathrattle rogue where it's about as standard of a deck there is.
The problem with Rogue is that it's such a different class then most others. The combo mechanic requires a ton of thought before going all in, which a lot of people don't like doing in HS.
Miracle Rogue being the biggest offender of people that don't like to think. You guys would be surprised how well Miracle Rogue does in this meta. But just nobody wants to take the time to think out their every move and instead want to just throw fireball or lavashock at people's face for ez pz wins.
You just can't expect to make whatever half-assed rogue deck and hit legend with it. Even Deathrattle rogue is losing its popularity because it's too simple. Simple rogue decks just don't work. Which was proven by Blizzard in Gadgetzan in giving Rogues counterfeit coin instead of steal class this or deathrattle that.
If you're still hell bent on trying to make a simple Rogue deck then I'd recommend looking at some other sites for a strongish Tempo Rogue. It's pretty straight forward and it can get you to rank 10ish pretty easyish. Because unless you don't have the patience to play miracle rogue or MalyRogue, you're just going to have to stay at rank 15 with your class theif rogue
Because you touch yourself at night.
the problem with rogue isn't the lack of good decks, it's the lack of EASY decks. Rogue is simply too hard for average players to perform consistently
I tried having fun once. It was awful.
Rogue is OP with extreme card draw, Malygos, zero cost cards and Zap. Nerf!
I win due to skill and lose due to bad RNG. :D
Miss Oil Rogue and Robot Rogue. I see Rogue in standard only with Malygos
Now Rogue does not have heal, armor, taunt or AOE.
Please Blizzard make Valeera great again!
I've been playing a lot of rogue recently because it was my second last class to get to gold, just priest remaining. Rogue is extremely powerful. I was about 50/50 vs shaman 70/30 vs Druid almost perfect vs priest, only 1 loss, 80/20 vs warriors 60/40 vs warlock 50/50 vs Mage 90/10 vs pally 50/50 ish against rogue and got stomped by hunters which I happened to run into a lot in the time it took to get my 89 wins that I needed. Hunter. Match up was probably 10/90 maybe a little more in his favour.. From rank 8-4 with maly rogue. Soooo you're just bad?
you've got some valid points but, the post is way too salty, tbh Blizzard needs to re-imagine Rogues because they are in a really weird place in the game, Blizzard hates burst and Combo and keeps nerfing it yet that's the only way Rogue can play to win games , then blizzard nerfs the working Rogue combo and someone discovers a way to make it work again, and blizzard nerfs it again, and the vicious cycle continues, then they try to push stuff like Burgle, and a Burgle archetype which is really fun and has been getting a lot of support, but is mre of a trolden only archetype, (and this is coming from someone that mains Ecaflip, a RNG bases class in Wakfu)
My first time legend was with rogue (miracle, in summer), recently got golden rogue class and I'm only a average player who likes think.
So I think if I can do it, anybody can play sucesfully rogue, only get soooo much time to master the deck than others out there and missplays have huge punishments.
If you don't like to think best plays, planificate next turns and strategy in general, play other deck haha.
He led the Stonemasons in the reconstruction of Stormwind, and when the nobles refused to pay, he founded the Defias Brotherhood to, well, deconstruct Stormwind.