I am having extreme problems cycling my deck with priest and I need to know other alternatives to generate card draw if there are any.
1) Northshire cleric is a piece of shit card that should be removed from the game because it's just horrible. The Northshire + Pyromancer + Circle of Healing + spell does generate mass card draw, but good luck getting that combination when you need it, and what a waste of card slots. The whole point of card draw is to get value from it - this is not value.
2) Powerword Shield is a terrible card. Yes, it allows you to draw a card. Big deal. It is not an autoinclude and it is not a good card, even though there are plenty of people out there that would disagree.
3) Purify - worst card in the game. Go figure that it's a priest card. It should cost only 1 mana since it's such a horrible card.
4) Mass Dispel - massive tempo loss. Crap card for card draw.
What other options for card draw does priest have besides those listed above? Don't say Acelyte of Pain because it's not reliable and will mill you if you are not careful.
Please share your combos for card draw because I am utterly frustrated with Priest and its crappy basic/classic set of cards. I wish those damn things would have rotated out as well because they are absolute shit.
If you are in need of more cards with Priest right now you need to learn how ton manage your resources better, Priest doesn't need any more card draw and many times you don't have enough space to draw more.
What kind of deck are you playing that you find yourself needing card draw beyond what the class already has? Priest right now is about generating and managing resources as well as doing a value style of play, it is rare to find yourself with few cards in hand, it happens sure, but just if your opponent did something really really nasty and you happened to had a response every turn.
If you are in need of more cards with Priest right now you need to learn how ton manage your resources better, Priest doesn't need any more card draw and many times you don't have enough space to draw more.
What kind of deck are you playing that you find yourself needing card draw beyond what the class already has? Priest right now is about generating and managing resources as well as doing a value style of play, it is rare to find yourself with few cards in hand, it happens sure, but just if your opponent did something really really nasty and you happened to had a response every turn.
It's about getting to your answers quicker. Priest cards, in general, cost too much - especially for what they do - so I tend to go the neutral route. Nonetheless, when you need a shrink potion or powerword horror, but you don't have either, it's really frustrating, because you know in your heart of hearts that they are probably at the bottom of your deck, as are your shadow visions. It's not fair that the other classes get to cycle their decks just fine, but the priest has to struggle with conditional bullshit.
Lol wow, the first 3 cards you mentioned are what makes priest good right now. You have no damn idea.
Power word shield not an auto include? Has there ever been a priest deck that hasn't run power word shield? And it even got way better in un goro.
I feel like this must be a troll post, since purify priest is arguably the best priest deck in the game right now.
Purify Priest is a Tier 2 deck, at best, and relies on a perfect mulligan to pull off correctly. Not my playstyle.
As for PW: Shield - why does anyone think this is a good card? You get 2 health and a card. Whoop-di-fucking-do. Even if you were to use this on the Vorax, it would still be a shit card. Waste of a card slot unless you use pyromancer.
To answer your question, people think PW shield is good because drawing a card is worth 1.5 mana (based on AI drawing 2 cards for 3 mana), and +2 health is worth about .5 mana. So about 2 mana worth of effects for 1. In addition, it often allows your minions to survive trades and still cycle - surviving minions, especially in the early game can be healed back to full. And as you pointed out, it is very good on pyromancer
I'm very curious what your standard is for good card draw when you call PW:Shield terrible. I would put 2 of that card in every single non-face deck if I could.
I'm very curious what your standard is for good card draw when you call PW:Shield terrible. I would put 2 of that card in every single non-face deck if I could.
And this is why Priest will never have a Tier 1 deck, and why the so-called Pros never play Priest at tournaments. There is no way to cycle properly.
I'm very curious what your standard is for good card draw when you call PW:Shield terrible. I would put 2 of that card in every single non-face deck if I could.
And this is why Priest will never have a Tier 1 deck, and why the so-called Pros never play Priest at tournaments. There is no way to cycle properly.
Laying of Hands is good card for comparisons. 8 mana, heal 8 draw three cards. I have a feeling that was originally a priest card, but the idiot Ben Brode, who designed and plays Paladin, probably moved it to that class. Yes, it's not a good card, but it's something that Priest would use fervently.
I find Lay on Hands to be pretty bad, but I think I know what kind of card you're looking for. How about The Curator? Alternatively if you're only looking for value there's of course any number of great discover cards, Curious Glimmerroot, and Elise the Trailblazer (fetch pack with Shadow Visions).
I find Lay on Hands to be pretty bad, but I think I know what kind of card you're looking for. How about The Curator?
I use Curator - unfortunately, there are no good murlocs or Beasts to utilize in most decks for Priest; therefore, they're not even filler. I like Curator, but it's still not good value in most cases.
I find Lay on Hands to be pretty bad, but I think I know what kind of card you're looking for. How about The Curator?
I use Curator - unfortunately, there are no good murlocs or Beasts to utilize in most decks for Priest; therefore, they're not even filler. I like Curator, but it's still not good value in most cases.
Stampeding Kodo would be your best bet for a beast, but it gets repetitive for Shadow Word Pain. Unfortunately, it doesn't really help cycle or dig for answers.
The thing here is that Priest is about beating your opponent in the value game, for answers you can use shadow visions and they will come up.
If you aren't using power word shield and you need more draw then maybe you just need to play another class or play a deck that isn't as greedy as to need to draw SW: Horror.
From what you express your problem is not understanding how the class works or not having enough experience with the conditional aspects of the class, just try a basic build and build from there once you can outvalue consistently, once again if you are really needing more card draw you should be looking at your gameplay as Priest and trying to hit those spots where you know when you can and can not play certain cards, gameplay this expansion really doesn't change that much, it's about value and card usage, nothing else.
1) Northshire cleric is a piece of shit card that should be removed from the game because it's just horrible.
If you think Northshire Cleric is shit then you should not even play priest to start with, I have never seen a priest deck without Northshire Cleric in any of priest archetype, but if you think its a good card? Then it depends what type of priest you are playing, Silent Priest, Dragon Priest, Combo Priest? There is different type of draw mechanic used in each deck so you need to specify.
Northshire Cleric and Power Word shields are one of the core cards of any priest deck
Power word shield is great because of ur hero power... While an opponent plays two minions ... with proper shield u get to kill one of those minions, heal up ur minion and cycle a card. And u call this card bad?
Priest is a generally a reactive class, since the beginning. Its class cards act as utility based on the cards that opponents have/plays.
If you are looking for simple-fast-cycle, then my friend priest is not the class for you.
Northshire Cleric and Power Word shields are one of the core cards of any priest deck
Power word shield is great because of ur hero power... While an opponent plays two minions ... with proper shield u get to kill one of those minions, heal up ur minion and cycle a card. And u call this card bad?
Priest is a generally a reactive class, since the beginning. Its class cards act as utility based on the cards that opponents have/plays.
If you are looking for simple-fast-cycle, then my friend priest is not the class for you.
PW:Shield is shit not because of its value, but because it's easily countered by every other class with the exception of priest. Priest vs Priest, it's a great card, but play it against anybody else, and it's a complete waste of space because the other classes have better minions and better spells. Is it worth the card draw? Sure. Is it worth the card slot? Fuck no.
Northshire Cleric, on the other hand, is a waste of fucking space because not only do you need a minion that needs healing (rarely happens because priest minions are shit and don't have high enough health pools), AND you have to waste 2 mana to draw a single card. Is she worth it? Well if you run holy nova or circle of healing, then yes - definitely worth it. But if you are like me and absolutely detest holy nova and circle of healing (Holy Nova costs too much and doesn't do enough damage, and circle of healing is almost always a dead card) then you would absolutely see where I am coming from. Coldlight Oracles, in comparison, are far more desirable than the Cleric - and that's dreadful.
1) Northshire cleric is a piece of shit card that should be removed from the game because it's just horrible.
If you think Northshire Cleric is shit then you should not even play priest to start with, I have never seen a priest deck without Northshire Cleric in any of priest archetype, but if you think its a good card? Then it depends what type of priest you are playing, Silent Priest, Dragon Priest, Combo Priest? There is different type of draw mechanic used in each deck so you need to specify.
Priest has been my main since the beta. I am just tired of all the other classes getting good cards, while Priest is left to languish with his pathetic classic card arsenal. All of the other classes have portals, buffs, card draw, AoE, and high health/high attack minions. What does priest get? Purify, Binding Heal, Forbidden Shaping, Awaken the Makers, Onyx Bishop and Herald Volazj. Wow. Priest needs a fucking enema!
PW:Shield is shit not because of its value, but because it's easily countered by every other class with the exception of priest. Priest vs Priest, it's a great card, but play it against anybody else, and it's a complete waste of space because the other classes have better minions and better spells. Is it worth the card draw? Sure. Is it worth the card slot? Fuck no.
Northshire Cleric, on the other hand, is a waste of fucking space because not only do you need a minion that needs healing (rarely happens because priest minions are shit and don't have high enough health pools), AND you have to waste 2 mana to draw a single card. Is she worth it? Well if you run holy nova or circle of healing, then yes - definitely worth it. But if you are like me and absolutely detest holy nova and circle of healing (Holy Nova costs too much and doesn't do enough damage, and circle of healing is almost always a dead card) then you would absolutely see where I am coming from. Coldlight Oracles, in comparison, are far more desirable than the Cleric - and that's dreadful.
Still, I say Priest is a reactive class, you can't play those cards when you want. You need to time them based on the scenario.
I guess you are failing to understand how good synergy power word shield has with priest hero power.
Sometimes people may exclude Cleric, but in current meta, it is really good.
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I am having extreme problems cycling my deck with priest and I need to know other alternatives to generate card draw if there are any.
1) Northshire cleric is a piece of shit card that should be removed from the game because it's just horrible. The Northshire + Pyromancer + Circle of Healing + spell does generate mass card draw, but good luck getting that combination when you need it, and what a waste of card slots. The whole point of card draw is to get value from it - this is not value.
2) Powerword Shield is a terrible card. Yes, it allows you to draw a card. Big deal. It is not an autoinclude and it is not a good card, even though there are plenty of people out there that would disagree.
3) Purify - worst card in the game. Go figure that it's a priest card. It should cost only 1 mana since it's such a horrible card.
4) Mass Dispel - massive tempo loss. Crap card for card draw.
What other options for card draw does priest have besides those listed above? Don't say Acelyte of Pain because it's not reliable and will mill you if you are not careful.
Please share your combos for card draw because I am utterly frustrated with Priest and its crappy basic/classic set of cards. I wish those damn things would have rotated out as well because they are absolute shit.
If you are in need of more cards with Priest right now you need to learn how ton manage your resources better, Priest doesn't need any more card draw and many times you don't have enough space to draw more.
What kind of deck are you playing that you find yourself needing card draw beyond what the class already has? Priest right now is about generating and managing resources as well as doing a value style of play, it is rare to find yourself with few cards in hand, it happens sure, but just if your opponent did something really really nasty and you happened to had a response every turn.
What about thoughtsteel
Lol wow, the first 3 cards you mentioned are what makes priest good right now. You have no damn idea.
Power word shield not an auto include? Has there ever been a priest deck that hasn't run power word shield? And it even got way better in un goro.
I feel like this must be a troll post, since purify priest is arguably the best priest deck in the game right now.
"digging for answers" Shadow Visions?
what i mean is, priest has plenty of utility. Lyra the Sunshard also helps. point is, priest doesn't need any more card draw.
Rogue Deckbuilder. Midrange/Combo player.
To answer your question, people think PW shield is good because drawing a card is worth 1.5 mana (based on AI drawing 2 cards for 3 mana), and +2 health is worth about .5 mana. So about 2 mana worth of effects for 1. In addition, it often allows your minions to survive trades and still cycle - surviving minions, especially in the early game can be healed back to full. And as you pointed out, it is very good on pyromancer
I'm very curious what your standard is for good card draw when you call PW:Shield terrible. I would put 2 of that card in every single non-face deck if I could.
I find Lay on Hands to be pretty bad, but I think I know what kind of card you're looking for. How about The Curator? Alternatively if you're only looking for value there's of course any number of great discover cards, Curious Glimmerroot, and Elise the Trailblazer (fetch pack with Shadow Visions).
The thing here is that Priest is about beating your opponent in the value game, for answers you can use shadow visions and they will come up.
If you aren't using power word shield and you need more draw then maybe you just need to play another class or play a deck that isn't as greedy as to need to draw SW: Horror.
From what you express your problem is not understanding how the class works or not having enough experience with the conditional aspects of the class, just try a basic build and build from there once you can outvalue consistently, once again if you are really needing more card draw you should be looking at your gameplay as Priest and trying to hit those spots where you know when you can and can not play certain cards, gameplay this expansion really doesn't change that much, it's about value and card usage, nothing else.
If you think Northshire Cleric is shit then you should not even play priest to start with, I have never seen a priest deck without Northshire Cleric in any of priest archetype, but if you think its a good card? Then it depends what type of priest you are playing, Silent Priest, Dragon Priest, Combo Priest? There is different type of draw mechanic used in each deck so you need to specify.
Northshire Cleric and Power Word shields are one of the core cards of any priest deck
Power word shield is great because of ur hero power... While an opponent plays two minions ... with proper shield u get to kill one of those minions, heal up ur minion and cycle a card. And u call this card bad?
Priest is a generally a reactive class, since the beginning. Its class cards act as utility based on the cards that opponents have/plays.
If you are looking for simple-fast-cycle, then my friend priest is not the class for you.
Still, I say Priest is a reactive class, you can't play those cards when you want. You need to time them based on the scenario.
I guess you are failing to understand how good synergy power word shield has with priest hero power.
Sometimes people may exclude Cleric, but in current meta, it is really good.