So you are saying that Doomsayers are unneeded because the 2 Beckoners of Evil and the one Discipline of C'Thun can challenge the board generated early on by Zoo and Shaman? That's clearly not the case in my games. Most of the times, I need to get a 2nd turn doomsayer against those decks to keep my life total at bay. Especially against Zoo.
youhave beck/disciple + aldor as well as equality pyro and true silver to control the early game. consecrate alone can stop zoo. doomsayer is just overkill a lot of the time and ends up a bad card after turns 2-3
I will have to disagree then. Doomsayer is amazing in a deck with resets against a deck with drawing power. Warlock zoo, can fill the board and still have more cards than you on on its hand. So a reset, will stop the first wave but it will not stop its steam. My experience is that I need two resets (almost back to back), to start gaining the board and eventually win against them.
More or less the same is true with Faceless Shaman and Totem Shaman.
So you are saying that Doomsayers are unneeded because the 2 Beckoners of Evil and the one Discipline of C'Thun can challenge the board generated early on by Zoo and Shaman? That's clearly not the case in my games. Most of the times, I need to get a 2nd turn doomsayer against those decks to keep my life total at bay. Especially against Zoo.
youhave beck/disciple + aldor as well as equality pyro and true silver to control the early game. consecrate alone can stop zoo. doomsayer is just overkill a lot of the time and ends up a bad card after turns 2-3
The point of doomsayer is not only dropping it on turn 2 against aggro. It's also really strong for gaining initiative after a board clear for instance. It can also be used to force really awkward trades, be played behind a taunt etc.
Anyone else find n'zoth pally weak to control oriented decks? I've been seeing lots of Warriors and Priests lately. Entomb just kills everything.. I don't even want to drop sylvanas against Priest because I know they're going to end up getting it.
Anyone else find n'zoth pally weak to control oriented decks? I've been seeing lots of Warriors and Priests lately. Entomb just kills everything.. I don't even want to drop sylvanas against Priest because I know they're going to end up getting it.
Against priest, you really need Elise. Control Warrior I definitely have a great matchup against as a N'Zoth paladin. The thing is, you have so many sources of healing and control warrior usually kills other control decks with Alex + Grommash, and so while it might seem that you can't win against the warrior, you have a lot more ways to win agains the warrior than the warrior has to win against you. It will just be a long game :P
I'm going to share my secret against priest, it works every time, you need a strategy, that strategy is that you have to save sylv+pyro+eq, then you play tirion, you want the priest to entomb it, then when he plays it you use sylv+pyro+eq so sylv dies and steal tirion back, then procced to scrifise tirion and then you win the game normally with your nzoth
Consecration feels so weak these days, doesn't reliably clear much on its own. So many low cost minions have 3 or even 4 hp keeping them out of reach.
This is so true. The fact that paladin always needs two cards out of 3 (6) to have a 3 damage or full boardclear makes the deck a lot weaker these days.
As Aegisis suggests, you need a strategy to deal with entbombs since almost every priest at least runs 1, to deal with control decks. You basically will have to give them at least one high value target if you ever want to play the rest of your cards.
However if you are playing from behind against a priest with 2 entbombs I feel like you are likely to lose with this deck, since it has virtually no burst and the entbombs also have the worst case effect of negating a revival of your deathrattle minion.
Your only chance it to keep pressure on them to force them to waste bombs or try to steal one back by sacking Sylv. I really think I prefer the C'Thun version of this deck because C'Thun gives it some burst and also forces them to reconsider wasting big removal on your other high value targets. But it kind of thins out your control options.
I will have to disagree then. Doomsayer is amazing in a deck with resets against a deck with drawing power. Warlock zoo, can fill the board and still have more cards than you on on its hand. So a reset, will stop the first wave but it will not stop its steam. My experience is that I need two resets (almost back to back), to start gaining the board and eventually win against them.
More or less the same is true with Faceless Shaman and Totem Shaman.
How good is Eadric? Worth a craft?
Anyone else find n'zoth pally weak to control oriented decks? I've been seeing lots of Warriors and Priests lately. Entomb just kills everything.. I don't even want to drop sylvanas against Priest because I know they're going to end up getting it.
Consecration feels so weak these days, doesn't reliably clear much on its own. So many low cost minions have 3 or even 4 hp keeping them out of reach.
I'm going to share my secret against priest, it works every time, you need a strategy, that strategy is that you have to save sylv+pyro+eq, then you play tirion, you want the priest to entomb it, then when he plays it you use sylv+pyro+eq so sylv dies and steal tirion back, then procced to scrifise tirion and then you win the game normally with your nzoth
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This is so true. The fact that paladin always needs two cards out of 3 (6) to have a 3 damage or full boardclear makes the deck a lot weaker these days.
As Aegisis suggests, you need a strategy to deal with entbombs since almost every priest at least runs 1, to deal with control decks. You basically will have to give them at least one high value target if you ever want to play the rest of your cards.
However if you are playing from behind against a priest with 2 entbombs I feel like you are likely to lose with this deck, since it has virtually no burst and the entbombs also have the worst case effect of negating a revival of your deathrattle minion.
Your only chance it to keep pressure on them to force them to waste bombs or try to steal one back by sacking Sylv. I really think I prefer the C'Thun version of this deck because C'Thun gives it some burst and also forces them to reconsider wasting big removal on your other high value targets. But it kind of thins out your control options.
After playing around entomb for, as it felt, the last few hours, the priest finally entombs Tirion.
"Thank you."
"The victory is yours."
Yea, it seems freeze mage and priest you might as well just concede once you know that's what you're up against.