Un'Goro Mill Rogue
- Last updated Aug 15, 2017 (Frozen Throne)
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Wild
- 15 Minions
- 15 Spells
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Mill Rogue
- Crafting Cost: 6940
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 4/21/2017 (Un'Goro Launch)
- ShatteR
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Battle Tag:
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Total Deck Rating
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N'Zoth mill rogue
Unfortunately for all the mill rogue players,Gang Up and Brann Bronzebeard has rotated out of standard so we have to have our fun in the wild format.
But man, there is a lots of fun....
Mill rogue is a strong deck at he moment in the right hands,as it has a lots of good matchups, while not suffering much from aggro.There are a lots of good defensive cards in wild that can make our life easier,namely Deathlord,Sludge Belcher and Antique Healbot.
Win conditions:
- Coldlight Oracle:-In the first few turns you remove your opponent's minions, then use Coldlight Oracle + Gang Up to draw your(and your opponent's) whole deck while controlling the board, then kill him/her with fatigue damage.
- N'Zoth, the Corruptor:-As most fatigue decks in wild(grinder mage for example) we also play double Deathlord and Sludge Belcher to stay alive and rip out minions off the enemy's deck.You can win with N'Zoth without even drawing a single Coldlight Oracle.You play your taunts in the early-mid game, then drop N'Zoth, the Corruptor either with Shadowstep him and use Gang Up on him after you drop him next time or just Preparation+Gang Up right away after you used him the first time.There is no deck that can out-value 4+ N'Zoths, nor deck that can kill you trough a wall of Deathlord and Sludge Belcher(except freeze mage or similar spell-oriented combo/burn decks, but there are Antique Healbot and Coldlight Oracle for them).
- Playing as Valeera Sanguinar increases your winrate!
Why play as Valeera Sanguinar?
- Just look above at how good she looks(b00bs)
- You play Coldlight Oracle-------> Your opponent: "Thanks" emote------> You:"The pleasure is mine ",because the pleasure is literally yours.
- The occasional mirror emote. "I always do,huhmp ;)"
- Maiev is so badly made that many people that doesn't know the lore tought she was a guy.No interaction with Illidan, also why does she have to yell so much?
- You don't say "Smart moves" to an opponent you wouldn't like to when conceding.Just "I give up", like "I give up, I am tired of your shit"
- After you get golden Valeera Sanguinar Maiev is just not an option.
- Checkmate Maievists.
Full matchup and mulligan guide:
-Mulligans:-DL:Deathlord ,DS:Doomsayer,BS:Backstab,FOK:Fan of Knives,DIS:Dark Iron Skulker,CO:Coldlight Oracle, I'll write down every other card.
Druid
- Jade(CO,DS,DL,BS): -Favored(60-40).Jade druid is actually not a hard matchup with N'Zoth, the Corruptor(see win conditions),if you survive until that point(what is not a terribly hard thing to do, jade druid doesn't often rush you).
- Astral/ramp druid(CO,DS,DL,BS,Sap):-I did met some of theese , this matchup is quite easy. Sap and Vanish is just too strong against their big-ass stuff .The only way to loose this matchup is not drawing Coldlight Oracle on time when they draw all their ramp/Astral Communion and steamroll you.
- Egg(DS,DL,FOK,DIS,BS):Bad matchup(40-60)Recently I played this matchup quite a bit, and found not as bad as it seemset first.You can win 2 ways:first is having early removal(Backstab/Doomsayer then taunt and stall until a few N'Zoth, the Corruptor. Second is control the early game, so they drop Living Mana that you [card=gold]Vanish/card] and win the game.
Mage
- Reno mage(CO,DL):-Very favored matchup(70-30), be careful for their burn(12-15 max. depending on what they have already used).They can add 2-3 extra cards to their decks with Manic Soulcaster and Forgotten Torch, that could mess with your gameplan.Otherwise it should be a piece of cake.
- Tempo/secret mage(BS,DS,CO,DL):-Bad matchup(40-60), remove all of their minions on sight(especially Flamewaker!!).Try to be above 15 hp(10 if they have already used a Fireball) constantly and put pressure on the board(All taunt minions), so they have to use burn on your minions. They usally play secrets,play around them carefully(this comes with experience).
- Freeze mage(CO,DL):-Favored(60-40), but also very skill-intensive matchup from both players side.You should try to burn as many cards as possible,and keep track on what you have burned(like if you burn both frostbolts, his icelances can only be comboed with each other or if you burn Emperror).Try to be above 20 hp at all times, but save heal after Alexstrasza.Sap Doomsayer before drawing,so you might mill more important cards.
Priest
- Dragon/N'zoth priest(CO,Eviscerate,DS,DL):-Very favored matchup(70-30).They just play slow stuff, also they don't have any burn from hand, they can't even steal from you(besidesEviscerate which is not a terrible amount of damage).Don't panic if they steal a Gang Up from you.3 cards advantage in fatigue is still more than enough to win.If they steal 2+ stick to the N'zoth plan(if they didn't draw a bunch of cards trough the game).
- Reno priest(CO,DL,Eviscerate):-Dominating(80-20).They are just too slow and usally play very slow but impactful minions(Ysera/Confessor Paletress) or quest with N'Zoth.Play as they have stolen 1 Gang Up, because of the possibility of getting one from one of the priest's steal effect, but very easy matchup regardless.
Paladin
- Anyfin Paladin(CO,DL,BS):-Favored matchup(65-35).Your muclocs can mess up his Anyfin Can Happen, you also have a decent chance to burn 1-2.But be careful with Finja, the Flying Star, he can make a short work on you if he pulls murlocs and you can't answer them.You should kill Finja, the Flying Star and Bluegill Warrior, but try to Sap the Murloc Warleader, because even if he has Anyfin Can Happen he can't effectively play it without the Murloc Warleader dead.
- Secret Paladin(DS,BS,CO,DL,FOK):-Slightly favored matchup(55-45).Rogue has some of the best answers for paladins such as Fan of Knives against Muster for Battle or Sap against his buffed Challenger etc.It's easy to fatigue them, Mysterious Challenger "draws" them a bunch of secrets that brings them much closer to fatigue.But regardless, secret pallys can give you a lots of pressure that can overcome you easily if you don't have the answer.
Warlock
- Renolock(CO,Sap,DL):-Dominating(80-20).You can loose basically 2 ways:the first is not having an answer to Mountain Giant and it just murders you.The second is the Leeroy Jenkins combo.I have to say the first is more likely, you have a very high chance to burn a combo piece, and most renolocks in wild don't even run the combo.
- Zoo(BS,DS,DL,FOK,DIS):-Very bad matchup(30-70). A lots of small minions that they can play constantly, Vanish just delays them.They tap a lot, so the fatigue part is not that hard, but the survival until that pont is.Try to make a taunt wall up until you can kill them with fatigue damage or drop 1-2 N'Zoth, the Corruptor.
Warrior
- Pirate warrior(BS,DS,Gluttonous Ooze,DL,FOK):-Pirate warrior is maybe the best aggro matchup besides face hunter.Still bad(35-65), but you can win.Remove their stuff, play as many taunts and heals as you can.If you survive until N'Zoth, the Corruptor you will win.Shadowstep can be really good with Antique Healbot/Gluttonous Ooze/Deathlord(you can replay him with full health if he is damaged).Pro tip:You can Gang Up his patches and use him for board control later on.
- Classic control warrior(CO,DL):-Dominating(80-20).You can hit face every turn with your dagger to shred down some armor, hit Acolyte of Pain 3 times with dagger if they play it.Stay above Grommash Hellscream range and you should win easily.
- Taunt warrior(DS,CO,DL):-Favored(65-35).They just drop taunts until turn 8-10 then press the button.Fatigue and N'Zoth, the Corruptor gang works too.Just be careful with the Rag hero power and should be pretty easy.
Rogue
- Miracle(DS,CO,DL,BS,Sap): -Slightly favored(55-45).They like to draw a lot, let them do it in the early game while controlling the board.Sap and Vanish are the MVP here, they can shut down the biggest Edwin VanCleef and/or Questing Adventurer(Vanish even when concealed).Stay above 15 hp and keep track on what you have burned to calculate their lethal potential.
- Quest rogue(prayers to Yogg-Saron):-Shit(10-90).Hope they draw shit and you draw amazing then taunt up until a few N'Zoth, the Corruptor.
Shaman
- Mid-Jade Shaman(CO,BS,DL,DS,Eviscerate):-Favorable(60-40).If they don't get an insane start you should win,but always calculate for Bloodlust since it can cause a loss that you could have avoided.Mana Tide Totem is your best friend, but don't let them draw too much if you don't have a Coldlight Oracle.
- Control Shaman(CO,DL):-Control shaman with N'Zoth, the Corruptor became pretty popular, this deck just eats it up alive(85-15).You have everything to make them cry.Mr.Sap MVP.I have beaten a shaman who shuffled 4 The Storm Guardian into his deck, and it wasn't even close.
Hunter
- Midrange hunter(FOK,DS,DL,CO,BS):-Unfavorable matchup(40-60).Their minions hold a lots of pressure, hunters hero power puts you on a clock, also a decent amount of burn(Eaglehorn Bow,Kill Command,Quick Shot), so taunt and heal is your best friend.
You can check out my older Mean Streets of Gadgeztan mill deck for more tips & tricks!
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Tech cards:
-If you want to tech against a certain deck, or a type of deck you can always change some cards. I'll give you some tips.
- Aggro:-The Curator -1 Preparation, add some of theese:Mistress of Mixtures/Acidic Swamp Ooze/Refreshment Vendor/Earthen Ring Farseer/Golakka Crawler/SI:7 Agent/Gluttonous Ooze
- Midrange:-The decklist right now is motly tuned against midrange decks.
- Pressure decks:-I am thinking about decks that don't necesseraly aggro, but can hold a great deal of pressure on you trought the game(tempo mage,midrange hunter,dragon warrior etc..) -Azure Drake +Reno Jackson(as you can usally survive for a decent amount of time, but the end-game can be difficult)
- Combo:-Dark Iron Skulker +Loatheb, Mill rogue is decently favored against most combo decks, but if you want, you can tech.
- Control:-If you want to tech against control decks for some reason(or for the mirror match lol),you can cut 1 or both Fan of Knives and 1 Deathlord(because it can bring out some nasty minion from a control deck that you don't want to see) for Dancing Swords/King Mukla/Nat, the Darkfisher/The Caverns Below
Bonus: -Any card + Yogg-Saron, Hope's End to tech against everything.
Changes:
- 2017.04.24:-Bloodmage Thalnos +Doomsayer
- 2017.04.26:-Vilespine Slayer - 1Fan of Knives +Dark Iron Skulker +Golakka Crawler
-I cut one fan, because as i have found out it didn't really perform without thalnos,Dark Iron Skulker offers you AOE and a body as well, and vilespine for an anti-pirate tech(considering ooze tho).
- 2017.04.27:-Golakka Crawler + Gluttonous Ooze
-I found the crab underwhelming, being crap in any non-pirate warrior matchup, also doesn't stop a 7/4 Arcanite Reaper and heals you for 7.The ooze is also a 3/3 which is way better than a 2/3 in non-pirate matchup.
- 2017.05.14: -Gluttonous Ooze + Azure Drake
-While the ooze can be really helpful in the pirate warrior matchup, I still ended up loosing a lots of games regardless of it(a lot of the times not even drawing it), so I changed it for some more cycle and spell damage provided by Azure Drake, what I lacked sometimes mostly against midrange/control decks(finding coldlight/N'Zoth).
- 2017.May rank 4 with mill!
- I definietly think the deck is legend viable, I just didn't have the time to climb it trough. due to studies, maybe in the summer.
Very hard deck to play, but very rewarding, both in the feeling and in the winrates.
Check out my Knight of the frozen throne mill rogue too!
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/895875-shatters-koft-mill-rogue
Hey, have you played this deck with some of the new KFT cards?
I took your list as a starterpoint and flexed in some of the new cards, would love to see your take on it.
Sure, I have a newer deck: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/895875-shatters-koft-mill-rogue :D
What do you think about beneath the grounds?
Beneath the grounds may seem useful for a mill deck(since you re making your opponent drawing trought their entire deck), yet it doesn't really fit for 2 big reasons:
I love the deck that you've made here! Would you mind showing off one of your replays so I can see if there are any mistakes I'm making?
I am always thinking about making a few tutorial videos, maybe making mill more popular and educate people.
Unfortunately I don't have many replays, because I don't have decktracker on most of the time.
However found a few ones from a day when it was accidentaly on:
https://hsreplay.net/replay/a2S9KVxMbKUEHEPmxqdiD6
https://hsreplay.net/replay/EoJcBinqJSYvhzcA4uFkiN
https://hsreplay.net/replay/p6chjQRoegcNdd6FgdFXoF
https://hsreplay.net/replay/cd636QwFFq9LfDsbdQ5f2W
Yes you should! I would love to watch them. I'd like to know what you think about some other mill rogue users who think its a bad idea to run azure drake and the curator together. They argue that if you want to run the curator you shouldn't also run azure drake because it makes it hard to get a card advantage if for some reason you are struggling to stay more topped off. I really respect your opinion which is why I'm asking! :D
Also, if we wanted to fit in shadow caster, what would we cut?
About Azure Drake: I have never found drake along with the curator "too much draw". In most matchups, you could seriously cut 1 Gang Up or play a Sprint and be fine.I win a lots of my games without both Gang Up used.Keep in mind that not only Gang Up creates card advantage in fatigue but Deathlord too,and it s not uncommon to play 2 Deathlord and 1-2 N'zoth, that can create a 3-4 card advantage too without any Gang Up.Sometimes I even play a Golakka Crawler, so the curator can draw me 3 cards, but I don't feel any drawbacks of it.
N'zoth control warrior,control shaman and maybe reno mage or priest are the only matchups where 2 Gang Up are absolutely neccesary and you should avoid drawing if possible(but if they come close to you in fatigue then you should Gang Up N'zoth and grind them out instead of fatigue burst).
About Shadowcaster:- I wouldn't recommend it, seems like a "control-tech" card in a mill deck.But if you really want to play or experiment with her ༼ ºل͜º ༽ ºل͜º ༽, cut Dark Iron Skulker.
I tried reno and sometimes put him in the deck if I feel like I need some more end-game.
You can use him if you want, he is awesome but I just feel him unnsecesary with N'zoth.You can also gang up n zoth for simmilar effect,but I'd rather have +6 N zoths than +6 Renos in most situations.
You're wrong. They buffed maiev and now she is golden too
Yeah, Maiev got a little buff, still underhwelming compared to Valeera :D
No problem, any time :D
Is this deck good for ladder ?
While this deck is very good against renolock and most tier 2 decks(reno mage,control shaman, mid shaman etc..), but it also has a bad matchup against two very popular decks(pirate warrior and egg druid), and also very hard to play so it's not hard to loose favored matchups if you not play right.
Is this deck legend viable? Definietly yes in the right hands.
Is this deck good for ladder? NO.
Is this deck fun? Hell yes.
Pls show us how to mulligan right, would be nice
I'll write the mulligan guide later today, but generally
Coldlight Oracle,Doomsayer,Backstab,Deathlord, Shadowstep with Coldlight Oracle or Deathlord
Gluttonous Ooze against pirate warrior.
Dark Iron Skulker,Fan of Knives against druids.
Always upvote a mill deck. Especially when it works.
Thanks for the support! :D
Always upvote mill.
I'd swap in a Violet Illusionist instead of The Curator.